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Soviet heavy tank IS-6 (object 253)

Soviet heavy tank IS-6 (object 253)  

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  1. 1. Would you like to see this vehicle in game?

    • Yes, as a part of tech tree.
      109
    • Yes, as a gift tank.
      44
    • No. (tell us why bellow)
      132
  2. 2. Where should the vehicle be in the research tree?

    • Before the IS3.
      33
    • Before the IS4M.
      82
    • I said as a gift tank.
      39
    • I said no.
      131
  3. 3. Which IS6(object 252/253) Want to see in the game

    • IS6(object 253) tech tree. IS6(object 252) gift tank.
      20
    • IS6(object 252) tech tree. IS6(object 253) gift tank.
      32
    • IS6(object 253) tech tree.
      39
    • IS6(object 252) tech tree.
      13
    • IS6(object 253) gift tank.
      13
    • IS6(object 252) gift tank.
      4
    • none of those
      111


+1  :good:, but as RuiGutter has said, the IS-6 is no better than that of the IS-2,3, and 4 (as stated in the following article excerpt):

 

"The maximum speed was 43 km / h (eighth in the manual transmission was blocked). The mass of the tank was reduced to 51.5 tons. Firepower tank IS-6 is not superior to the tanks IS-2, IP-3 and IS-4. Its armor protection was better than the JS-2 and IP-3, but slightly inferior to the JS-4. Installation of electric transmission and facilitates the management of the tank should enhance its maneuverability. However, this does not happen as a result of the large mass of the tank and zlektrotransmissii, and because of the low reliability of the latter. Regarding the option JS-6 with a manual transmission, except for the armor protection he did not have any advantages over other heavy tanks.

 

Source (topwar.ru): https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftopwar.ru%2Fprint%3Apage%2C1%2C4556-tyazhelyy-tank-is-6.html&edit-text=&act=url

 

 

Anyway, here is some content from the same source you can add to the OP:

 

History:

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The project of the heavy tank IS-6 (object 252, 253) has been developed at the pilot plant number 100 in Chelyabinsk in the first half of 1944. The main feature of this war machine was the use of her electro-mechanical transmission. 

In accordance with the decision of the GKO Order of the People's Commissar for Tank Industry on June 8, 1944 Uralmashzavod together with the plant number 100 was commissioned manufacturing drawings and production of prototypes heavy tank IS-6. The basic design work has been completed by the number 100, much of it fell on the share of Uralmash constructors, as release of working drawings produced here. 

 

Prototyping carried two factories with assembly and debugging tanks at Uralmash. In the autumn of 1944 after the factory test tank IS-6 with a second set of spare parts and the body was sent to Kubinka for comparative testing of new heavy tanks, tank factories produced. 

 

Heavy tank IS-6 had a classic layout with the shape of the hull and turret, which is close to the tank IS-4. 122 mm tank gun D-30 has been paired with a machine gun Goryunov. On the roof of the tower on the installed anti-aircraft machine gun turret DSHK. Tank Ammunition consisted of 30 rounds of separate loading 1,200 rounds of 7.62 mm ammunition and 500 12.7 mm anti-aircraft guns to. Sight Grand Slam - telescopic tank. 

The anti-aircraft gun was equipped with a red-dot sight K8-T. At the disposal of the commander, driver, gunner and loader had one viewing device MK-4. 

 

The engine V-12U capacity of 750 liters. from. housed in the aft tank. The electromechanical transmission were the main generator of the DC-305A power of 385 kW and a weight of 1740 kg, mounted coaxially with the engine. In one block from the main generator on a common shaft was three-phase synchronous generator SG-1A is designed to power the motor-fan cooling system, traction engines and diesel, as well as the drive battery charging units. Diesel were installed two small DC generator G-73, which fed generator excitation circuit DC-305A and SG-1A. 

Traction motors DC and DC-302A-302B reverse acting through airborne transmission connected to the drive wheels of the tank. Adjusting the thrust to make changes of the main generator. Operating current reaches 960 A, when driving on the highway it was 490 A, on the ground - 740 A. The voltage in the circuit up to 500 V. 

 

Chassis JS-6 with six and three supporting rollers are on board was like chassis of the JS-2. Suspension of the individual, torsion. 

The tank was installed the radio and F-10 intercom TPU 4bis F. was produced another example of the JS-6 (object 252) with a manual transmission type IS-3. Apparently, for its production using a second set of spare parts and hull of. The chassis were used road wheels of large diameter, and the rollers are absent. 

 

The maximum speed was 43 km / h (eighth in the manual transmission was blocked). The mass of the tank was reduced to 51.5 tons. Firepower tank IS-6 is not superior to the tanks IS-2, IP-3 and IS-4. Its armor protection was better than the JS-2 and IP-3, but slightly inferior to the JS-4. Installation of electric transmission and facilitates the management of the tank should enhance its maneuverability. However, this does not happen as a result of the large mass of the tank and zlektrotransmissii, and because of the low reliability of the latter. Regarding the option JS-6 with a manual transmission, except for the armor protection he did not have any advantages over other heavy tanks. 

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Real-life photos:

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Specs:

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The performance characteristics of the heavy tank IS-6. 

Combat weight, t 54 
Crew 4 

Overall dimensions, mm: 
Length with gun forward 10070 
width 3430 
Height 2530 
clearance of 500 

Armor, mm 
the forehead, the side of the housing 120 
feed 60 
Tower 150 
the roof 30 
the bottom 20 

Armament: 
122-mm rifled gun D-30; 12.7-mm machine gun DSK; 7.62-mm machine gun 

Ammunition: 
30 shots, 500 patrnov 12.7 mm, 1000 rounds of 7.62 mm 

The engine-12V, Diesel, 12-cylinder, four-stroke, V-twin, liquid-cooled, 750 liter capacity. s at 2100 rev / min 

Ground pressure, kg / 0.90 sm.kv. 
The speed on the highway, km / h 35 
Cruising on the highway, 150 km 

Obstacles: 
the height of the wall, m 0.90 
width of ditch, m 3.0 
ford depth, m 1.50 

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Thx :good:  but the third photo is a IS4

and the IS6 has has his own hull no IS2 hull or IS3 or IS4

and the hull is very good angled

Look on the blueprint

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Not Gaijin's fault that the Brits LOVED their HESH ammo.

Agreed.

 

But are the these other ammo types working as they should? Spalling etc?

 

Back to topic!

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no too many russian heavy tank already

 

if this tank was added it must be after IS4M (better gun)

 

That's not what I found to be true.....

 

 

"Firepower tank IS-6 is not superior to the tanks IS-2, IP-3 and IS-4. Its armor protection was better than the JS-2 and IP-3, but slightly inferior to the JS-4."

 

Source (topwar.ru): https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftopwar.ru%2Fprint%3Apage%2C1%2C4556-tyazhelyy-tank-is-6.html&edit-text=&act=url

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no too many russian heavy tank already

 

if this tank was added it must be after IS4M (better gun)

Pls read my text

"Firepower of the IS-6 is no better than the tanks IS-2, IS-3 and IS-4 Its armor was better than the IS-2 and IS-3, but slightly worse than IS-4."

I think The D-30 tank gun was not sooo better 


Thanks you all for supporting me!  :good:

Edited by *Hering179

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only 2 different prototype was built 

 

and some other nation need tank on tiers 5 

 

Yes!  :yes:

 

Such like this maybe?

 

Japan: Type 74E

US: M60A3 & M103A2

Italy: OF-40 (liscence-built Leo 1A4s)

France: AMX-30B/B2 & AMX-50 (120mm cannon)

International (Swiss-International): Panzer 68/75 (Mk.3)

Germany: Kpz-70 (120mm designated version) & Leopard 1A5 (with plastic-filling reinforced steel)

USSR: T-62 (1975) @ IS-7/Objekt 279 (endgame heavies or rare competition prizes like the E-100)

Britain: Chieftain Mk.5 & Conqueror Mk. II/IIH (the latter being converted Caernavons)

 

 
Edited by Results45
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I believe any tank should be allowed but more tanks in other countries would be appreciated as well. Basically I am saying every tank should be added no matter if it was a proto or not. BR should be increased to accomodate new armor and other countries need counters of course but if the IS-6 was a failed proto it should probably be even added before the is3.

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just no, Is types are OP and yes T-10m is IS-10, so just no is-7's or 6's, 5's, 8's , 9's! its post war! i'll say yes if Gaijin separate Warthunder tanks ww2 and post war.  like for post war tanks : War thunder Modern warfare, put the IS types after is-2 in Post war game version.

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[...] Gaijin separate Warthunder tanks ww2 and post war.  like for post war tanks : War thunder Modern warfare, put the IS types after is-2 in Post war.

Strongly agree (though that name may already be taken  ;)s).

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I just started on the T54 1947, so i will find out soon. But the russian tanks can at least take some hits. At least in the lower BR.

 

The Leo just explodes.. But it will probably be better for me when i get to play it a while. It would probably do much better in RB/SB than in AB.

"Leopard" in red, over the tank, kind of says: Shot me, i'll break :Ps

 

But i have fun in the Leo no matter what.

 

T-54 1947 has a bit better frontal hull armor so if you angle it well, it can bounce some shots, even APDS, but in case of HEATFS, you simply have no chance even with IS-4. Also Russian 100 and 122 mm APBC, APHE and even APCBC have sometimes problems penetrating a bit angled upper front plate of Leopard 1 and also its turret unless hit square on.

 

Little hint for T-54s, don't research APCR ammunition unless it's the last thing that you already haven't researched. It has a bit better penetration than APCBC only on very short ranges and does not have explosive filler.

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I believe any tank should be allowed but more tanks in other countries would be appreciated as well. Basically I am saying every tank should be added no matter if it was a proto or not. BR should be increased to accomodate new armor and other countries need counters of course but if the IS-6 was a failed proto it should probably be even added before the is3.

 

Russia, US, and Germany alone have hundreds of prototypes they tested-out before settling on the production designs they actually used in combat or made only in small numbers due to feasibility or tech reasons (the USSR alone has over 150 "objekt" protos).

 

Honestly, I'd be a shame to see GFs become another WoT so let's not go there.

 

On the other hand, a month-long "Protothunder" event with the wierdest planes and most OP tanks would sooooo much fun!!! :D

 

War thunder Modern warfare...... Post war game version.

 

 

How about an expansion pack that has everything from Mig-19 to F-22, T-64 to M1A1, missile vessels, and today's warzones (like Afghanistan, South China Sea, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Lybia, etc.)?

 

The name could be along these lines: War Thunder: Modern Conflict

Edited by Results45
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just no, Is types are OP and yes T-10m is IS-10, so just no is-7's or 6's, 5's, 8's , 9's! its post war! i'll say yes if Gaijin separate Warthunder tanks ww2 and post war.  like for post war tanks : War thunder Modern warfare, put the IS types after is-2 in Post war game version.

 

IS types are not op.

and the IS-6 isn´t a IS-7

IS-6 54/51.5T IS-7 70T

and post war mh? waht is with the Leopard or M60 with HEATFS rounds with 400mm pen?

IS2Mod1944/IS3/IS4M 230mm pen 

Edited by *Hering179

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Russia, US, and Germany alone have hundreds of prototypes they tested-out before settling on the production designs they actually used in combat or made only in small numbers due to feasibility or tech reasons (the USSR alone has over 150 "objekt" protos).

 

Honestly, I'd be a shame to see GFs become another WoT so let's not go there.

 

On the other hand, a month-long "Protothunder" event with the wierdest planes and most OP tanks would sooooo much fun!!! :D

 

 

 

How about an expansion pack that has everything from Mig-19 to F-22, T-64 to M1A1, missile vessels, and today's warzones (like Afghanistan, South China Sea, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Lybia, etc.)?

 

The name could be along these lines: War Thunder: Modern Conflict

This is a IS-6 suggestion not a WoT/Mig-19/F-22/T-64/M1A1/ suggestion

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Yah guys i think:

 

T4 IS2                   BR 6.0

T4 IS2mod1944    BR 6.7

T5 IS3                   BR 7.3

T5 IS6                   BR 7.3

T5 IS4M                BR 7.7

T5 T10M               BR 8.0

 

So the IS6 is not a OP tank any HEATFS can kill him.

 

and all say: no more russian tanks they are OP 

and i say: look on the HEATFS! Pen: 10m=400mm 100m=400mm 1000m=400mm

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Some neat charts:

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http://topwar.ru/24952-tyazhelye-tanki-v-poslevoennyy-period.html

http://topwar.ru/4740-tanki-serii-is-iosif-stalin.html

 

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Yah guys i think:

 

T4             IS-1                               BR 5.7

T4             IS-2/IS-2M (1944)      BR 6.0/6.3

T4             IS-3/IS-3M                   BR 6.7/7.0

T5(P/G)    IS-6                              BR 7.3

T5             IS-4/IS-4M                   BR 7.7/8.0

T5(P/G)    IS-5                              BR 8.3

T5             T-10/T-10M (IS-8)      BR 8.3/8.7

T5             IS-7                               BR 9.3

 

T5             M103A2/T110            BR 9.0/9.3

T5             Conqueror Mk.IIH     BR 9.0/9.3 

T5             AMX-50 (120mm)     BR 7.7/8.0

 

Fixed.

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i think we dont need The IS4 and the T10(IS8,IS9,IS10)

and Why IS3 BR 6.7? and IS5 RB 8.3 ?? 

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i think we dont need The IS4 and the T10(IS8,IS9,IS10)

and Why IS3 BR 6.7? and IS5 RB 8.3 ?? 

 

The IS-3/3M has better armor and slightly better performance than the IS-2/2M (1944)

 

As for the IS-5, some of it's performance characteristics and tech developed into the T-10 (T-10 becoming the "-10M"). It was the failed prototype that greatly contributed to what came out as the T-10.

 

Also FYI, there was never a IS-8 & 9; the IS-5 became the original T-10 prototype and the IS-8 officially rebranded as the T-10  ;)s

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I still don't think they should get more. The problem is, while many nations ahve guns with HEATFS, Germany has one, excluding the jpz because it's gun is smaller, less room for explosives, less pen, the maus has a catastrophically underperforming gun, doesn't even have the APDS (which is documented, and exists.), missing extra cheek armor, etc. The point is, we have pretty much one good vehicle, one that not everyone knows how to use.

 

As a result, players like me better with a lot of armor, playing GER, are fucked. we could have a pretty good line if we had the sturm because of rediculous HE, better than the RBT-5 (how's that for bias? a tier 1 that can kill a maus. Yeah, tooooootally fine when you do it.) as well as other TD's and things on wheeled chassis. There were many vehicles designed to fill many roles that aren't always on tracks and are often forgotten as a result.

 

So no, I'm not okay with giving you more, especially after the pay-to-win T-44-122. You can eat one.

 

Give us, and also the other nations comparable amounts of vehicles. The problem is often sheer numbers. No matter how good you are with all your two vehicles, i've killed 7 myself.

but soviet players have at least 7, 8 different vehicles to choose from and constantly spawn with. I have seen this happen too, kill a guy right out of spawn and he STILL has enough to bring in a cheapass T-10m with cheat-fs.

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Good point (all of it).

 

In my mind, Germany is bound to get its share of Sturm-destroyers (Panzer and Tiger) and likely the Kpz-70 as well if the need arises to balance out against tanks like the US prototypes T34/54/57, T-10M, T-62, M103A2, Conqueror Mk.11H, and the rest of the MBT lot  :Ds (see below)

 

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I dare say that if Gajin goes far enough with 1970s tech we'll get MBTs/missile-mounted carriers with the anti-tank missiles introduced during the 1960s like the SS.10/11, AT-1/2/3/4, 9M15 Taifun, Type 64 MAT, Bantam, Cobra, ENTAC, Malkara, and Swingfire (BGM-71, MGM-151, and HOT are 2nd Gen OPs with 1000mm+ penetration).

 

By then, 400-600mm of RHA armor will be penned like butter   :Ps (hopefully such vehicles won't get a reload until getting back to base -- even in ABs)

 

 

Note: IMO the T42/69/87 prototype light tank series should precede or replace the T92

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Made some IS-tank family comparison charts:

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Not a bad idea BUT, Gaijin will have to give all other nations their proper pen values and damage models to balance out the game! Adding these types of tanks is fine, but nerfing guns and ammo in game for tanks that were shown to be able to kill these type tanks is what is making players say no to it.

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