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New Possible Tech Tree's?

So we all know what 2 tech tree's pretty much everyone is looking forward to:

 

1. Italian Tech Tree

2. French Tech Tree

 

But what tech tree's do we have a possibility of getting? Well, lets see.

 

 

Dutch Tech Tree

Nederland has had a big role in the history of aircrafts, all because of one single company - Fokker.

Fokker first got really famous during WW1, with their famous aircrafts as: Fokker Eindecker, Fokker Triplane and ofc Fokker D. VII. The Fokker D. VII was so feared by the allies, that that the allies wanted all Fokker D. VII destroyed, and when the war ended, Fokker D. VII became the only plane to ever be mentioned in a treaty.

The Fokker D. VII would maybe be a reserve, even though it would probably not be that good. But its a legendary plane, and should probably be in-game.

Many would say that the Fokker D. VII, Eindecker's and so on, isnt dutch; But german. But its made by a dutch company.

Fokker continued to make planes, like the Fokker D. XXI and many more.

 

Problem:

The problem is that Fokker and other dutch companies didnt make any jet planes untill around the 70's. So their wouldnt be alot of planes for high level's.

 

Swedish/Danish Tech Tree

The Swedish Company Saab and alot other's has made some a few beatifull planes, one of them being the Saab 21R, the only plane ever, to be a former propelled airplane, then transformed into a jet and put in frontline service. Alot of nations had tried to make propelled-planes jet's, but none ended up in frontline service.

Saab also made quite a few planes during WW2, as the Saab 17, 18 and 21. None of these came in combat, because Sweden was neutral, but alot of them was given to ''Den Danske Brigade'', a small army of danish soldiers, that should liberate their native land. After WW2 Saab continued to make aircrafts, like the Saab Tunnan.

 

The first fighter Denmark made by themself was called ''Nielsen & Winther'', the plane was retired in 1919 due to unreliability of its Thulin engine, the normal model was called AA, but two prototypes named AB and AC was planned; AB would be reconnaissance and AC would be a floatplane. Later Denmark made the mysterious DK I & II, trying to getting information on these planes is almost impossible. After what i know, have none pictures, almost no information and no models of the plane survived. I could only find out 2 was used in 1916-1924. In the 1930's did a danish ship-company named Orlogsværftet begin making planes; They made the Orlogsværftet O and H maskinen, those 2 planes was some of the first succesfull danish military planes and could maybe fit as reserve or tier 0-1. Other danish companies like SAI made sport-planes, as the KZ I, II, III and so on.

But in the 1930's did the danish goverment order that the danish miltary should begin disarming, so Orglogsværftet began making a few planes in secret: The Orlogsværftet J1 Naval Jager and the Maagen(Mågen) Flying Boat III. The J1 Jager was meant to have two versions; A fighter and a fighter-bomber, and it had almost 2 prototypes finished when Germany invaded Denmark. It would probably have used a V-12 watercooled engine.

 

Problem:

The problem with a Swedish/Danish tech tree is kinda huge. If the tech tree had only swedish aircrafts, it wouldnt have enough planes, and if it had only danish aircrafts, it wouldnt have enough planes at all, so ofc they should be together and make one single tech tree. The tech tree would probably only go to around level 18-19 with the Saab Tunnan as top-tier. But another problem is that there wouldnt be any historical battles, or atleast close to none, with this tech tree. Sweden havent been in war in over around 400 years and Denmark didnt see much air-action during WW2. The tech tree would also need to have some prototype planes like the Orlogsværftet J1 Jager, if it wouldnt want to have less planes than the japanese tech tree right now.

 

If you want to know more:

Military Aircraft of Sweden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_aircraft

J1 Jager: http://www.natureandtech.com/?p=3057

H Maskinen: http://www.natureandtech.com/?p=2731

O Maskinen: http://www.natureandtech.com/?p=338

Maagen III: http://www.natureandtech.com/?p=2127

Winther & Nielsen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_%26_Winther_Type_AA

Fokker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker

 

(I would have uploaded a picture of the J1 Jager, but the forum wont allow me :/ )

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We dont need new tech tress, we need new planes for the old tech trees. Japan und US esp. need some high tier fighters asap.

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Italian could be a standalone nation - but their fighters are crap. France didn't have enough variety to be a nation on its own, nor did Sweden. Personally I'd take the Italians, French, Swedish etc out of other tech trees and put them into a single 'Other' tech tree - between then they could make a single balanced nation.

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None of these suggestions have enough depth of variety for a full tier 0-20 selection of single-engine/twin-engine fighters, twin- and four-engine bombers, and end-tree jets.  I would fully support significant aircraft from minor nations being added to existing trees, though.  Like there could be a small Polish side branch in the British tree.  A lot of the small Allied countries would end up in the British lines, I guess, and countries like Romania and Finland could go on Germany.  I'm not convinced Italy has enough for a full tree, but it's definitely a good candidate for expansion.  I want to fly the MC.205 and other more-advanced Italian designs.

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We could have the Hawker Danecock for the british tech tree. A british plane made for the danish airforce, level 1-0 premium, maybe?

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Saab 21, and the jet version of Saab 21(R?) would be nice high tier fighters for the swedes, and tier 19-20 jet would be the excellent J29 Tunnan.(came in service 1950, retired 1976)

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Australia should have its own tech tree as it already has aircraft in the British tree. Much the same as Italy & France have planes in game now.  With an Australian tech tree you would have planes from both Britian & USA. Lancaster, B24, P51, spitfire, B25, Mosquito, Beaufighter & P38 just to name a few. Basically you can have aircraft from 0 to tier 20 jets with Australia.

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I dont personally think Australia should have its own tech tree, it would just end up like the chinese tech tree in WoT. Sure they do have some of their own designs, but thats so few that it would be easier to just put them in the british tech tree.

 

I think that a French and Italian tech tree should be a first priority, then i think that a Dutch and Danish-Sweden/Scandinavian or what you want to call it, should come next.

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There is around 400 aircrafts at relase tree allready granted.... you are sure that you need add some crappy Swedish/Danish/JAR/Spanish and etc aircrafts at this time ?

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maybe in like, 2 years at the earliest? Wishlists are great and all but I fear that constantly asking for more of developers that already have a lot on their plate may end with us getting a lot of shoddy work. Let them finish fleshing out existing trees ( especially US, UK, Japan ), give proper flight models to dozens of planes, introduce some sort of clan wars, introduce navy and army before we start asking for new entire nations.

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Finish and introduce the tech trees we have.

For those nations mentioned above (Netherlands, French, Polish, Italian, French, Finnish, ...) they can be added as skins for current planes in axis or allies tech trees.

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they need to finish the trees they have now, and at least add in navy/army before they think about adding other nations.

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This would be a really good idea. The only problem as you mentioned would be the HB's.


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Put french planes in HB with american and british and tadam !

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Gaijin could include Greek tech tree ,
Around 30s greek company KEA build its first plane : velos (arrow) ,year after year keeped developing new plane until ww2 start !

You wont find something about ground army but Greek fleet was superbly big thats why WG will include it to wowb !

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I agree, we need more planes, I can think of a few planes for each nation which should be includes, as well as multiple variations. To be honest, lets just let them add all the aircraft they want before we ask for more tech trees... But.. This is a world war 2 flying game, Japan, USA, Russia, Germany and Britain have hundreds of planes and variations you can use, as they were in the war for the whole time, it's pointless to add other aircraft. The dutch for instance, don't have a role anywhere near as big as the the other nations and really I can only imagine..10 aircraft? It's kinda pointless... And the planes you suggested were made by a Dutchman, for German, so they are really German aircraft.. Oh... And yeah.. World war 1 kinda ended 12-ish years before the game is set (reserve aircraft from the 30s) It's like if the French had their own tech tree, the only fought (excluding free French, and resistance..) for a few months in 1939.. Same with the Australians, whilst they fought the whole war in the pacific, they don't really have tonnes of planes....
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Italian could be a standalone nation - but their fighters are crap.

Their modern fighters (MC202, 2000, 2005, etc) are great aircraft, hell even their biplane CR42 was a fantastic aircraft, and was used by the luftwaffe in ground attack. Italy just lacked the ability to mass produce was the problem. 

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Let me quote my post on another thread on the small nations problem:

What about a tech tree for small nations, like:

 

Axis:

Romania

Hungary

Italy

etc

 

Allies:

France

Poland (prewar + both armies?!)

etc

 

This would solve the problem of having too many and too small trees.

 

So then we would have:

-Germany 

-Japan

-USA

-Great Britain

-USSR

-Allies (small)

-Axis (small)

 

 

Another idea:

If you have unlocked a skin of a plane, you should be able to fly the plane in the small airforces.

 

Example:

If you have unlocked the polish airforce skin for your Hurricane mkI, you could also select it in the small allies airforce, in that particular skin.

Of course this would work with all the skins of France, Poland, RAAF and etc.

 

So in the Allies (small) tree you would have:

Left:                  Middle:                    Right:

Skin Aircraft      Regular Aircraft       Premium Aircraft

 

What would you think about that?

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We dont need new tech tress, we need new planes for the old tech trees. Japan und US esp. need some high tier fighters asap.

what about UK? they need those fighters way more then the US do (for the fact they got actually fighters at high-ish rank that got a decent FM/DM atm and are the most threatening to the Germans, unlike the spitfire mk II)

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