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Piaggio P.133 (from "Velivoli dell'Aeronautica Militare Piaggio P.108")

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The P.133 was better than the P.108 about self-difensive armament and bomb load, better flying and maneuverability charatteristics.
It was a middle wing monoplane, with a very hight horizontal fletching and double rudder.
The hydraulic landing gear, when pulled up, went back into the engines nacelles; the tail gear was retractable too.
The flaps were made with little rounded sheets in the middle of the wings plus the lowering of both the ailerons and with another little flap in the frontal part of the wings.
The defensive armament was formed by 4 12,7mm in the front and 6 20mm in: 2 dorsal turrets (Ikaria Mg-FF), 2 in the sides (Ikaria Mg-FF), 1 in the tail (Mg-151)and 1 in the ventral part of the fusolage (Mg-151).
The P.133 structure was all in metal,shell formed, rivetted, in aluminum alloy. The wings were connected to the fusolage with steel pylons.
The bomb bay can have different load configurations:
2x 2000kg bombs or
2x 1500kg bombs or
2x 1000kg bombs or
6x 800kg bombs or
6x 500kg bombs or
6x 250kg bombs or
32x 160kg bombs (or lower kg calibers)

Data sheets

Dimensions
Wing span: 36,00m
Lenght: 24,60m
Height (with landing gears lowered): 4,4m
Wing surface: 160sqm
Flaps extended: +8sqm

Weights
Total weight: 34.000kg (normal load); 38.000kg (overload)
Wing load: 212,5kg/sqm (normal load); 237,5kg/sqm (overload)
Empty weight: 17.500kg
Payload: 16.500kg
4x12,7mm: 120kg
6x20mm: 258kg
ammo: 1.054kg
turrets and guns supports: 350kg
radio: 240kg
other weights (oxigen, cameras, armors, etc...)
total military weight: 2.830kg
crew (8 members) with parachutes: 800kg
lubricant: 600kg
gasoline and bombs (normal load) 12.270kg
gasoline and bombs (overload) 16.270kg

Engines (4x):
Name: Piaggio P.XV RC 60/2V
Normal Power (1st speed @1.700m) 4x1.650hp= 6.600hp
Normal Power (2nd speed @6.000m) 4x1.500hp= 6.000hp
Takeoff Power 4x1.700hp= 6.800hp
Triblades Propellers, in flight variable pitch: Piaggio P.1002
Fuel tanks (x10): 1.200kg
Oil tanks (x6): 800kg
Weight/Power @6.000m: 5,7kg/hp (normal load); 5,6kg/hp (overload)
Weight/Power @takeoff: 5kg/hp (normal load); 5,6kg/hp (overload)

Takeoff run: 500m (normal load); 670m (overload)
Landing run: 600m (normal load); 800m (overload)
Min. speed at low altitude: 150km/h (normal load); 160km/h (overload)
Max. speed @0m: 410km/h (normal load); 400km/h (overload)
Max. speed @2.000m: 485km/h (normal load); 445km/h (overload)
Max. speed @6.000m: 490km/h (normal load); 475km/h (overload)
Climbing:
2.000m in 8'10" (normal); 10'10"(overload)
4.000m in 19'20" (normal); 23'20" (overload)
6.000m in 31'00" (normal); 39'30" (overload)
Ceiling: 8.000m (normal); 7.300m (overload)
Ceiling (with 3 engines and 32.000kg mass): 6.000m
Autonomy: between 6.000 and 7.000m, 400km/h average speed and 4.800kg bomb load = 5.100km

The plane was committed in June 1st 1943 for 6 heavy bombers after the exams done on a captured B-24 Liberator in Rome (the Blonde Bomber), the production started next month but it was cancelled (the fusolage and the wings were made) due Armistice in September 8th. The plane was dismantled after war.

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is the P.133 a possible t4 bomber for the italians?

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The final development of the P.108, the P.133 prototype, was almost complete by the time of the Armistice (8 September 1943), but the program was dropped soon afterwards and the aircraft was never finished. It was designed to have a lighter structure and several improvements in performance, which were partially influenced by a captured B-24, with a potential speed of 490 km/h (304 mph), 6 × 20 mm and 4 × 12.7 mm (.5 in) guns and a bomb load of up to 4,800 kg (10,600 lb). <- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.108

don´t know if this is enough or it´s just too paperplane for wt

i guess it would be a good idea to add it to have some good italian heavy bomber in the late t4 (maybe as a premium) :salute:

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it was almost build. Why not, we have complete paper planes in the game and this would be a great addition to GE bomber line. 

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i just added the option with prem-aircraft, but i hope it will be implemented in the normal bomberline (if it will be added)

i think that prem-bombers feel only "right" if they are a captured or a lend-and-lease aircraft (so maybe prem for german line :^) ) and not as a superior bomber compared to the p.108 :yes:

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it's a really really "don't know" if it can be introduced in game

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i don´t know how the tree will look like, but i guess sooner or later, the cries for a hightier-bomber will be louder and louder i guess (just my opinion^^)

so an alternate bomber would exist to implement

on the other hand, its just an uncomplete prototype thats true

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If there is the horten... Every plane got 1 chance

But this plane got (if will) a very low priority
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you would put it into the normal bomber tree? :3

Yep, like the G8n1, there are enough data, it was 98% biult so it's perfect for a top tier bomber for Italy.
Absolutely not Premium, we have lots of options for premium plane.
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Yep, like the G8n1, there are enough data, it was 98% biult so it's perfect for a top tier bomber for Italy.
Absolutely not Premium, we have lots of options for premium plane.

thought the same here

so its a possible br of 5.7-6.3 (if its in planning etc)

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topic edited with new 1st message

 

(don't "fap" on the plane please)

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2 years later and i'm still with what i said. italy really needs her in top tier 4 bomber lines since it's lacking a little bit. many argue P.108B is either a tier 3 bomber or if its a tier 4 it's only one and italy doesn't have any other tier 4 worthy bombers. will see how gaijin will manage it

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On 2.9.2015 at 10:43 PM, BlueBeta said:

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The P.133 was better than the P.108 about self-difensive armament and bomb load, better flying and maneuverability charatteristics.
It was a middle wing monoplane, with a very hight horizontal fletching and double rudder.
The hydraulic landing gear, when pulled up, went back into the engines nacelles; the tail gear was retractable too.
The flaps were made with little rounded sheets in the middle of the wings plus the lowering of both the ailerons and with another little flap in the frontal part of the wings.
The defensive armament was formed by 4 12,7mm in the front and 6 20mm in: 2 dorsal turrets (Ikaria Mg-FF), 2 in the sides (Ikaria Mg-FF), 1 in the tail (Mg-151)and 1 in the ventral part of the fusolage (Mg-151).
The P.133 structure was all in metal,shell formed, rivetted, in aluminum alloy. The wings were connected to the fusolage with steel pylons.
The bomb bay can have different load configurations:
2x 2000kg bombs or
2x 1500kg bombs or
2x 1000kg bombs or
6x 800kg bombs or
6x 500kg bombs or
6x 250kg bombs or
32x 160kg bombs (or lower kg calibers)

Data sheets

Dimensions
Wing span: 36,00m
Lenght: 24,60m
Height (with landing gears lowered): 4,4m
Wing surface: 160sqm
Flaps extended: +8sqm

Weights
Total weight: 34.000kg (normal load); 38.000kg (overload)
Wing load: 212,5kg/sqm (normal load); 237,5kg/sqm (overload)
Empty weight: 17.500kg
Payload: 16.500kg
4x12,7mm: 120kg
6x20mm: 258kg
ammo: 1.054kg
turrets and guns supports: 350kg
radio: 240kg
other weights (oxigen, cameras, armors, etc...)
total military weight: 2.830kg
crew (8 members) with parachutes: 800kg
lubricant: 600kg
gasoline and bombs (normal load) 12.270kg
gasoline and bombs (overload) 16.270kg

Engines (4x):
Name: Piaggio P.XV RC 60/2V
Normal Power (1st speed @1.700m) 4x1.650hp= 6.600hp
Normal Power (2nd speed @6.000m) 4x1.500hp= 6.000hp
Takeoff Power 4x1.700hp= 6.800hp
Triblades Propellers, in flight variable pitch: Piaggio P.1002
Fuel tanks (x10): 1.200kg
Oil tanks (x6): 800kg
Weight/Power @6.000m: 5,7kg/hp (normal load); 5,6kg/hp (overload)
Weight/Power @takeoff: 5kg/hp (normal load); 5,6kg/hp (overload)

Takeoff run: 500m (normal load); 670m (overload)
Landing run: 600m (normal load); 800m (overload)
Min. speed at low altitude: 150km/h (normal load); 160km/h (overload)
Max. speed @0m: 410km/h (normal load); 400km/h (overload)
Max. speed @2.000m: 485km/h (normal load); 445km/h (overload)
Max. speed @6.000m: 490km/h (normal load); 475km/h (overload)
Climbing:
2.000m in 8'10" (normal); 10'10"(overload)
4.000m in 19'20" (normal); 23'20" (overload)
6.000m in 31'00" (normal); 39'30" (overload)
Ceiling: 8.000m (normal); 7.300m (overload)
Ceiling (with 3 engines and 32.000kg mass): 6.000m
Autonomy: between 6.000 and 7.000m, 400km/h average speed and 4.800kg bomb load = 5.100km

The plane was committed in June 1st 1943 for 6 heavy bombers after the exams done on a captured B-24 Liberator in Rome (the Blonde Bomber), the production started next month but it was cancelled (the fusolage and the wings were made) due Armistice in September 8th. The plane was dismantled after war.

 

Definitely hoping to see this at some point - building of the prototype was underway; even if it wasn't completed.

 

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It was in the process of being built. We have planes in War Thunder that never even made it off paper. Yes, it needs to go in as a Tier IV bomber. Especially with the high payload options.

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I think that with the lack of high BR bombers for italy this should be added, it would be a nice end of the line since I can't find any italian jet bombers. I think that it shouldn't have a high proirity (definetely not above the addition of the re. 2000 and 2001, and hopefully the 2005).

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