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The Curtiss SB2C Helldiver was a carrier-based dive bomber aircraft produced for the United States Navy during World War II. It replaced the Douglas SBD Dauntless in US Navy service. The SB2C was much faster than the SBD it replaced.

Crew nicknames for the aircraft included the Big-Tailed Beast (or just the derogatory Beast), Two-Cee and xxxx 2nd Class (after its designation and partly because of its reputation for having difficult handling characteristics). Neither pilots nor aircraft carrier skippers seemed to like it.

Delays marred its production—by the time the A-25 Shrike variant for the USAAF was deployed in late 1943, the Army Air Forces no longer had a need for a thoroughbred dive bomber. Another factor also hampered its service introductions, due to the poor handling of the aircraft, both the British Royal Navy and the Royal Australian Air Force cancelled substantial orders.

The Truman Committee investigated Helldiver production and turned in a scathing report, which eventually led to the beginning of the end for Curtiss. Although production problems persisted throughout its combat service, it was reported that some pilots soon changed their minds favorably about the potency of the Helldiver, and in spite of its problems, the aircraft was flown through the last two years of the Pacific War with a fine combat record, due to the high level of training of its crews.

 

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Specifications (SB2C-4 Helldiver)

Data from United States Navy Aircraft since 1911

General characteristics

Performance

Armament

 

 

The Helldiver on War Thunder

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19SY-t1riwHGkFT5ykgTA1mRszvPBO7GQVtuCkTV59b0/pubhtml?gid=971574216&single=true

 

 

 

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/250822-sb2c-1c-helldiver/

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What types of bomb combinations can be carried in the bomb bay?

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Sooooo you got me interested in dive bombers/torpedo bombers and I checked out the Avenger.  Wiki says it served until the 1960's!!!!!   Huh?  George Bush 1's plane. Sorry to kinda hijack your thread but I was well alive and old by the 1960's and I never heard of the Avenger still being in service. BIG azz plane for a carrier by the way.  Avenger.....flying off Carrier's in the 1960's?  Really?  Anyone know?  Still doing that in the Nam era?  Never heard that.

 

Do not know much about the Helldiver.  Sorry.

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Sooooo you got me interested in dive bombers/torpedo bombers and I checked out the Avenger.  Wiki says it served until the 1960's!!!!!   Huh?  George Bush 1's plane. Sorry to kinda hijack your thread but I was well alive and old by the 1960's and I never heard of the Avenger still being in service. BIG azz plane for a carrier by the way.  Avenger.....flying off Carrier's in the 1960's?  Really?  Anyone know?  Still doing that in the Nam era?  Never heard that.

 

Do not know much about the Helldiver.  Sorry.

The Avengers were actually so formidable that even the aliens hijacked some in 1945 over the Bermuda Triangle...   ;-)

 

Na seriously. The Avengers were in service also after the War, mainly in the anti submarine role (ironically, even by the Japanese), but also as airborne radar stations (AWACS), and in civilian service even operated until 2012 (!!!) as waterbomber in the fire fighting role.

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So I just checked the loadout options.

2x 250lb default

 

Mk13 torpedo

 

Mk13 torpedo improved

 

2x 500lb

 

1x 1000lb

 

 

So they managed to give it half the real bombload.

 

Seriously, are the devs asleep or something? How do you give it half the bombload?

 

 

Also, in a colossally bizarre move, they put the A-36 and A-20 in the Navy attacker line and put the TBF in the Army bomber line. Huh?

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Also, in a colossally bizarre move, they put the A-36 and A-20 in the Navy attacker line and put the TBF in the Army bomber line. Huh?

As stated in the patch notes, they put the level bombers in one line and the attackers/dive bombers in another. Its not USAAF vs USN/USMC. Simple as that.

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As stated in the patch notes, they put the level bombers in one line and the attackers/dive bombers in another. Its not USAAF vs USN/USMC. Simple as that.

 

Then why are the OS2U's in the attacker line?

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There are different sources. Here:

 

http://www.ww2warbirds.net/ww2htmls/curtsb2c.html#curtsb2c0

 

It says that the maximum internal payload was 2x1000lb bombs.

 

In other sources:

 

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/b/SB2C_Helldiver.htm

 

The SB2C-1C was capable of carrying only a single 1000lb bomb in the internal bay, but it had provision for another 500lb on wing undercarriage.

 

Either way, the current bombload for the Helldiver is wrong.

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There are different sources. Here:

 

http://www.ww2warbirds.net/ww2htmls/curtsb2c.html#curtsb2c0

 

It says that the maximum internal payload was 2x1000lb bombs.

 

In other sources:

 

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/b/SB2C_Helldiver.htm

 

The SB2C-1C was capable of carrying only a single 1000lb bomb in the internal bay, but it had provision for another 500lb on wing undercarriage.

 

Either way, the current bombload for the Helldiver is wrong.

Well, the second source is wrong, you've got 2,000lb in the bomb bay (how else do you carry a 2,000lb torpedo) and its 500lb on each wing. 

 

 

I made a suggestion to fix the SB2C and Hurricane Mk. IV, just waiting for a mod to approve it.

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Well...

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In RB. I'm so in love...

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Lol such a funny video. Simply cuz it's a ridiculous "how-to" of a navy war machine. But yea it can also do a 1600lb or a 2000lb torp with bomb bay doors off. Good find! There's another similar how to video from this era on YouTube about how to dive bomb. It actually has some good info in it.

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Lol such a funny video. Simply cuz it's a ridiculous "how-to" of a navy war machine. But yea it can also do a 1600lb or a 2000lb torp with bomb bay doors off. Good find! There's another similar how to video from this era on YouTube about how to dive bomb. It actually has some good info in it.

 

I love the way the guy sings praises about probably the most hated plane ever used in the PTO.

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ok i have got say it gaijin really gaijind up the flight model for this plane its bloody atrocious

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ok i have got say it gaijin really gaijind up the flight model for this plane its bloody atrocious

 

The plane was underpowered IRL...though in game, it's even more obvious. Getting over 400km/h in level flight is a challenge, even for fully upgraded plane. But on the other hand...it has amazing turn rate and radius-it's like SBD with 20mm cannons, and if you get some speed through a dive, its vertical turning is equally good.

 

Though it's missing two thirds of its loadout, it's no problem for it, because best use is not as a bomber, but as bomber hunter/escort fighter. Use you starting altitude wisely, you won't get it back...without upgrades it can't even climb when empty without losing speed.

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I love the way the guy sings praises about probably the most hated plane ever used in the PTO.

 

Nobody ever talks about the later versions with the more powerful R-2600's and 4-bladed Hamilton Standard props, which from what I understand, were a considerable improvement.  

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Something about the Helldiver that I find a bit odd... most dive bombers (like the Ju-87 Stukas and the SBD-3 Dauntless) have a little window (don't know if it has a specific name for it...) below the pilot, so you can see when you should dive, but the Helldive doesn't have this window... is this historic, or a accidental mistake?

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I filed a bug report on the bombload, let's see how long it takes to fix the load

 

 

There are different sources. Here:

 

http://www.ww2warbirds.net/ww2htmls/curtsb2c.html#curtsb2c0

 

It says that the maximum internal payload was 2x1000lb bombs.

 

In other sources:

 

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/b/SB2C_Helldiver.htm

 

The SB2C-1C was capable of carrying only a single 1000lb bomb in the internal bay, but it had provision for another 500lb on wing undercarriage.

 

Either way, the current bombload for the Helldiver is wrong.

Apparently, it could carry 2x 1000lb AP bombs or a single 10000lb GP bomb. AP bombs are apparantly skinnier. On the upside, you can carry 1,000lb bombs under the wings, so 3x 1,000lb is possible.

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I started flying the Helldiver and so far this has been my experience.   Learning how to use this plane I've never touched before. =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDd-tbJu3rs

 

Imagine every time Ralph gets hurt as me shooting someone down without even trying.  This plane can out turn a Ki-43, it is bleeping awesome.  lol

 

The 20mm cannons on this bird are lets say, amazing.  I really think this thing could challenge the Ju-87D-5 as a low speed dive bombing Turn Fighter.  

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