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Hebime: a lot of great info you've provided in the last few posts, workload permitting I should be able to give them a proper look and get them on our list later today. I also had a PM from you about another idea of yours but see it has now been deleted; if it's something you're still interested in doing please let me know, it sounds like a good idea!

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Wafu_vasco: I'd like to correct you in something. In the first post, where you have the list of approved aces, I saw that you wrote down Vitéz Tóth Lajos' name as V Lajos, which isn't correct. It should be L Tóth, as Tóth is his last name and Lajos is his surname. "Vitéz" is just a title, like "Sir" or "Knight". Also, I'd like to mention that in order to avoid confusions, I used the ranking system of todays US Air Force when I translated the Hungarian ranks, although we do not make such differences in ranks. For example, we use the term "őrmester" both in the army and in the air force, while the US uses "Sergeant" in the army and "Staff Sergeant" in the air force for the same rank. And I noticed that there is no rank given for Szentgyörgyi Dezső, the first suggested Hungarian ace. He was a Warrant Officer in the end. 

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Ace: Petrović, Bosko

Nationality: Yugoslavian

Service: Spanish Republican Air Force

Aircraft: I-15

Variant: ???

Serial Number: CA-118

Time Frame: July 1937

Approved by Biographer: Can approve once we have a positive confirmation of variant

 

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Does anybody have any information of which variants of the I-15 were shipped to Spain?

I thought a Yugoslav and Spanish Civil War ace might be interesting. Maybe not for a full Ace of the Month feature but could be suitable for Ace Profile.

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Does anybody have any information of which variants of the I-15 were shipped to Spain?

 

I-15, I-15/bis and I-153. I think Bosko Petrović flew with the /bis variant.

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Ace: Petrović, Bosko

Nationality: Yugoslavian

Service: Spanish Republican Air Force

Aircraft: I-15

Variant: ???

Serial Number: CA-118

Time Frame: July 1937

Approved by Biographer:

 

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Does anybody have any information of which variants of the I-15 were shipped to Spain?

I thought a Yugoslav and Spanish Civil War ace might be interesting. Maybe not for a full Ace of the Month feature but could be suitable for Ace Profile.

 

Initially I-15 M22's were shipped to Spain, but latter deliveries consisted mostly of I-15 M-25's (basically the same thing as the I-15WR, probably because the I-15M22 was find lacking against the Cr.32), also the I-15 manufactured locally in Spain were fitted with M25 engines (those that got them anyways, a lot weren't completed).

 

In 1939 the USSR attmpted to deliver 36 I-15bis apparently only 12 made it all the way to Spain (the others were confiscated by the French, I think) it is dubious wheter or not the planes saw combat during the SCW since the combat reports by the Republicans of the time had degraded a lot by that time what we know is that probably none of them was destroyed during the war.

 

As for the I-153 beign in Spain it really has never been confirmed, there's people who claim that a I-153 protype was the new enemy fighter than Werner Molders and it's flight faced in one of their shorties during the Battle of the Ebro (others claim that it was the only Fokker D.XXI that was completed, a I-16 with the supercharged engine or a I-15 Bis that was shipped before the main order took place)

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hanwind, don't be shy, just fulfil a form, your suggestions are good :)

Oh, I noticed that we have few Russian suggested. I have already proposed many pilots, so for now I just give a link to nice text.

 

Boris Feoktistovich Safonov

 

- it can be a first Soviet Fleet Air Force pilot proposed

- plenty possibilities for skin (I-16 - well documented, or P-40E-1)

- possibility to add a new premium (Hurricane Mk IIB armed  with  2 x 20mm ShVAK guns and 12,7 x 2-mm BS)

- he met and fought with British pilots, also covered PQ convoy. - nice cooperation makes article interesting also for more people.

I guess this is the best place to ask:

Does anybody happen to have any information on the German ace Willy Frenger whom Safonov downed and more importantly on his Bf 109?

I've tried digging through the internet but can't seem to find anything on the man except his name and victory count.

This one French website had a bit more on him but no depiction of his plane.

http://lesasdelaluftwaffe.unblog.fr/jagdgeschwader-5-eismeer/

 

So if anybody happens to have any information on him & his aircraft I'd be very grateful.

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I checked

http://www.luftwaffe.cz

http://www.afwing.com

http://aces.safarikovi.org/

 

There is nothing about him

 

PS.

 

Interesting thing I found now, I hope Bf 110 D-3 will be added, because then

Martin Drewes

 

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I guess there just isn't all that much information on him.

 

There is other possibility.

 

Somebody maybe have wrote his name with error.

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That is probably the case.

Especially since the website about Safonov writes his name as Frenger while the French site uses Pfränger. I tried both but results were kinda equal. Frenger usually doesn't give you any information while Pfränger leads you to sites about Luftwaffe aces or the JG. 5. Which usually only list him as a pilot with 30 victories and shot down in 1941/2. No pictures of the man or his aircraft.

Which I consider somewhat odd since he supposedly had 30 confirmed victories and the Iron Cross of 1st&2nd class. You'd think there'd be at least a some more information on him.  :dntknw:

 

Edit: Well I found some information on his plane. Serial number and such. Maybe if I keep digging I'll find more.

"WNr 10177, CI+MQ, Bf 109F-4, 6./JG 5, Ofw Willi Pfränger, 17.05.42 Verlust 100% vermisst über Murmansk"

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We got some interesting news! New planes being added is always nice, and there is one I've been waiting for: The Halifax Mk III. Why? Because there are interesting stories. 

 

Friday the 13th:

There was a Halifax named "Friday the 13th", because the crew believed it was cursed and they wouldn't get too far with it. At the end of the war it was the British bomber with most successful missions. More info can be found Here

 

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Bomber Ace: Cyril Joe Barton

Nationality: British

Service: British Royal Force

Aircraft: Halifax

Variant: MkIII 

Serial Number:  LK797 (codename LK-E)

Time Frame: March 30th 1944

Approved by Biographer: As soon as we see the Halifax in game, please send me a reminder about this submission!

 

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During the Nuremberg bombing, his plane was attacked by several Germans. During the fight, the plane was damaged enough, but it could still fly. However, in the confusion, the navigator, bombardier and wireless operator bailed out. Despite having a damaged aircraft and not full crew, he decided to go on with the mission, and dropped the bombs himself. During the way back, one of the engines blew up, reducing the plane's speed. With no navigation assistance, he could fly through the German defenses. Once in England, with one engine left, the plane ran out of fuel. There was not enough height to bail out, so they had to crash land. One local miner died when a piece of the plane hit him. The crew members survived, except Barton, who died because of his wounds after the crash landing. He was buried with full military honors in April and received the Victoria Cross posthumously for his actions in June.

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Hello guys,

     Thanks for all of the submissions, I've added quite a few to our master list on page 1. There's a few I can still add once we either see their aircraft in game or with a bit more information provided.

 

I'm afraid the only outright rejection remains John Glenn; really sorry about this. Unfortunately with Glenn having a long and important career in US politics, things get a little complicated. This is further muddied by his accusations of being involved in a political scandal.  I have fed this one up the chain and the opinion is that we do have a large number of US aviators to feature, and that due to a string of flame wars on these and other forums, writing up an individual with a huge career in politics is a risky step to take when there are plenty of other American aviators without this risk. This is not meant to cause offence to John Glenn or any of his supporters, and apologies to anybody who is not happy with this decision. 

 

Only a week until our next ace; Japanese army will finally be represented!

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Hello guys,

     Thanks for all of the submissions, I've added quite a few to our master list on page 1. There's a few I can still add once we either see their aircraft in game or with a bit more information provided.

 

I'm afraid the only outright rejection remains John Glenn; really sorry about this. Unfortunately with Glenn having a long and important career in US politics, things get a little complicated. This is further muddied by his accusations of being involved in a political scandal.  I have fed this one up the chain and the opinion is that we do have a large number of US aviators to feature, and that due to a string of flame wars on these and other forums, writing up an individual with a huge career in politics is a risky step to take when there are plenty of other American aviators without this risk. This is not meant to cause offence to John Glenn or any of his supporters, and apologies to anybody who is not happy with this decision. 

 

Only a week until our next ace; Japanese army will finally be represented!

Thank you for your consideration but I have to inform you abouth a small misspelling for a name in Romanian aces "Ion Dobran" not "Dobron" Thanks a lot.  :salute:

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The next Ace is British born, but I do totally take your point about foreign personnel serving within the British military, or similar cases with other militaries. I'll make sure that we bring in other nations wherever possible.

 

Especially in the Battle of Britain

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Looks like Swedish Ace is not popular, so I abandon him and post something different. I'm not a specialist in German aces though. So before filling formal proposition I would like to know your opinion (and some real photo of plane would be nice)

 

Wolfgang Späte[spoiler]  

 

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I do not know if Roald Dahl got 5 air victories and was an ace during WW2, but his book "Solo Flight" is good read. It gives an excellent view how a "rookie" pilot (simple drafted soldier) experienced the war. It is also a interesting story of its own merit even for those, who know nothing about the military aviation. Dahl was a good writer and I like his stories.

I have nothing against Dahl and I would be interested see a colourplate of his Hurricane.

 

The Swedish Ace did no catch much attention, maybe a half Norwegian is more interesting?

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Ace - Horia Agarici

Nationality - Swiss with romanian ethnicity and citizenship. Was born in 6 April 1911 in Lausanne Switzerland but spend much of his childhood in Iaşi Romania.

Service - Romanian Royal Air Force

Aircraft - Hawker Hurricane Mk I

Variant - Hurricane Mk I

Serial Number - "yellow 3"

Time frame - 23 june 1941

Approved

 

Horia Agarici was a Romanian air ace in WW2 with a total of 13 victories.

His war started at 23 June 1941 when Romania joined the war agains the USSR and proceeded with a bombing campaign to deny the enemy war material usage and war industry assets.

In the morning of that day, 53 Squadron ,witch Agarici commanded , received the order to provide cover for Romanian bombers.

Agarici flew his squadron into battle but shortly after because of severe mechanical trouble(leakage of fuel and/or oil) had to make an emergency return to his base where technicians immediately proceeded to repair the plane.

Around 12:00,soviet bombers where spotted flying in the direction of the city/port of Constanţa.

Knowing that his plane was probably the only one available in the area, given the fact that his squadron still hadn’t return from their sortie , Agarici took off without an order, a wingman enough fuel(because the fuel tank had been perforated) or a complete airframe given the fact that the mechanics hadn’t had time to remount the engine cover.

Shortly after that he encountered a formation of 5 soviet DB-3’s bombers flying at low level.

He immediately proceeded with his hunt ,maneuvering above and behind the formation.

 

His first victim is the lead formation aircraft witch goes down and explodes when it hits the sea. Agarici performs a sharp turn and guns down the first bomber to his right witch also goes down in flames.

The third bomber, loses altitude and rushes toward the ground, but this kill will never be confirmed.Still,the two confirmed kills where the first for the RRAF in WW2.

Meanwhile , given the ferocity of Agarici’s attack and the romanian AAA fire, the last 2 remaining bombers decide to call it a day and turn tail.

Agarici is forced to abandon his pursuit shortly after given the fact that when he took off ,he didn’t actually have a full fuel tank and he’s engine was yet again losing oil.

He makes a run for it and manages to land safely at Mamaia, wiliest running on fumes and despite the fact that his glass was full of oil.

 

Shortly after this display of bravery, a song is dedicated to him, giving him the title Savior of Constanţa and Bolshevik hunter.

But Agarici wasn’t a cold blooded hunter as people believed. For the rest of the eastern campaign he dedicates himself more to his poetry than his kill count and is reported for not willing to pursue the enemy.

Things change when the US 15th Air Force brought the war back to Romania in the spring of 1944.

Agarici, who at the time had an administrative job, tock back to the skies ,this time on the stick of the romanian made IAR-80C no. 381 and claims a B-24.But in the process his aircraft receives multiple hits and he’s forced to make an emergency landing witch ends his war.

For his service he had received the “Virtutea Aeronautică clasa a treia”(Aeronautical Virtue III class), “Coroana României cu spade și panglică de Virtute Militară clasa a cincea”(Romania’s Crown with spades and Military Virtue Ribbon V class) and the Iron Cross.

 

Hope the next bit is not deemed "controversial" by Gaijin

 

After the war,the comunists took over Romania and Agarici,as well as most romanian aces, lost his rank and was sentenced to 25 years forced labor for his role in ww2.

He was pardoned in 1964 by a general decree and his rank of Captain was restored the next year.Even so,persecution from communist authorities never stooped until his death.

He died forgotten in 13 July 1982,that is forgotten by the people, because the communist party never left him alone, in the city of Constanţa...the same city that he had saved from bombing in ’41.

Even tough he us undesirable in the new regime,he was buried with military honors.

 

Here's a skin that i have just finished http://live.warthunder.com/post/20056/

Given the way the textures where arranged,it's just 95 % accurate beacuse the underbelly should be black/white in perfect simetry and the nose cone should also be half black half yellow(currently is 3 with 3)

 

Here's the profile that i have used taken from Denes Bernard "Rumanian Aces of WW2"

Aditional info can be obtained from "Romanian Aeronautics in the second world war" by  Crisitan Craciunoiu and Jean-Luis Roaba and Romanian Air Force by Denes Bernard

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There will be problem with that lovely Romanian Hurricane skin :(s

Red this thread: http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/150015-ace-of-the-month-poll-number-2-germany/

 

Not all, by any means - it's just if a unit uses a popular cartoon character like Felix or Mickey Mouse, that's something we can't use.

 

So skin could be added, but without Mickey Mouse.

BTW:

 

Aircraft - Hawker Hurricane Mk I (early)

 

Why early? As far as I know Romanians got 12 Hurricanes with metal wings and 3 blade propellers, so it's not early model. Which is good because we don't have early model in game.

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Ace - Wolfgang Späte

Nationality - German

Service - Luftwaffe

Aircraft - Messerschmitt Me 163

Variant - Messerschmitt Me 163B-0 V41

Serial Number - serial 310050, code V41 PK+QL

Time frame - May 1944

 

I looked a little deeper into Wolfgang Späte, and he seems to be an interesting candidate:

 

As an ace in both piston-powered aircraft and jets, Wolfgang Späte is a member of a unique group within the fraternity of fighter pilots. He also flew the first combat mission ever in a rocket-powered fighter--which placed him among those who opened the door to the space age. Born in Dresden, Germany, in 1911, he began his flying career in 1927 in gliders and competed in glider meets at the famous Wasserkuppe Flying School. He built his own glider and went on to win many international gliding competitions, including the 19th Rhoen Gliding Championships.

 

He began his career as a test pilot in 1937 working at the German Gliding Institute. Drafted into the Reserves in 1939, he flew reconnaissance aircraft during the invasions of Poland and France. By late August 1940, he had transitioned to fighters and was assigned to fly the Me-109. In April 1941, he flew fighter escort in the invasion of Yugoslavia and by the summer of 1941 had participated in the invasion of Russia. Stationed on the northern front near Leningrad, he often flew five fighter-sweep sorties a day. In the next 10 months, Späte scored 72 victories and was awarded the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves by Hitler, personally. Captain Späte departed the Russian front in April 1942 to become the Luftwaffe liaison on the top secret Me-163 Komet rocket-fighter program.

 

Preparing for its introduction into the war, Späte, a brilliant and future-oriented strategist, set in action a plan to train pilots in this unique weapon. His dedication, in the face of skepticism from senior Luftwaffe officers, resulted in a nucleus of 30 pilots being trained to fly the world's first rocket fighter. Major Späte returned to Russia in May 1944 as Group Commander of IV/JG54 flying the Fw-190. In December 1944, he returned to Germany to command the first operational wing of Komet fighters--JG400. As the war neared its end, he was assigned to JG7, an Me-262 jet combat wing, where he scored five victories.

By the end of the war, he had scored a total of 99 aerial victories and flown more than 600 combat sorties. He rejoined the newly organized Luftwaffe in 1956 and served in many duties until his retirement as a lieutenant colonel in 1967. Späte is an active author and his works include Pilots Today and Tomorrow, The Top Secret Bird: Me-163, and Everything That Begins With F.

 

Flying behind German lines over Rumania in July 1944, Major Späte spotted 20 Russian bombers and their fighter escorts. Pressing the attack, Späte downed one bomber and set another on fire before his plane's fuel line was hit. With his cockpit filled with flames and his clothes on fire, he bailed out just as his plane exploded. Suffering from third-degree burns, he came under fire from Russian infantry but managed to crawl toward his own lines. Badly burned, he was not recognized by German soldiers until he produced his identification. Hospitalized for only 2 weeks, the spirited group commander visited Luftwaffe Headquarters and used his "horrible looks" to gain sympathy and obtain extra rations for his men.

 

Source: http://goefoundation.org/index.php/eagles/biographies/s/spaete-wolfgang/

He also wrote a book: Top Secret Bird: The Luftwaffe's Me-163 Comet by Wolfgang Spate

 

However I found one problem with his rocket.

Späte's red Komet - 310050/V41/PK+QL

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http://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/me163/pkql.htm

 

That plane is interesting not only because colour. :

The most famous Komet must surely be the red Komet in which EK16 commander Wolfgang Späte flew the first operational mission with a Komet.

 

But there is a problem, it was one of the early Me 163, with different guns and other minor differences. 

Späte writes that V41 still had MG 151/20 armament. This means the gun barrels project from the wing's leading edge, but also the ammunition hatch on the spine is different compared to the later MK 108 armed Komets.

 

That's may be a problem, because it do not match a in game version. I was thinking about propose early Komet as a premium but there will be no premium jets...

Early Me 163 with MG 151/20 would be nice addition to game I think. Skin for Me 262 is also possible, but we are getting one right now (By now I mean a few months), same for Bf 109.

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