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Are you kidding me? There are over 300 German aces, most of them are the at the top of the list, but only one gets a feature...

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Are you kidding me? There are over 300 German aces, most of them are the at the top of the list, but only one gets a feature...

Then the German player base had better start submitting applications for Aces. Everybody else is. That list is the product of hard work from the community; there's no point in complaining, the idea is that if you want somebody considered then do a bit of homework.

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Clive cadwell, Don gentile, Steve pisanos, don blakslee, Gregory boyington,Tom blackburn.

 

also why is Erich hartman not available?

Caldwell is already on the list; for the rest of the individuals you've mentioned there is a quick form to fill in which is on the first page.

 

As for Hartmann, this is an issue which a few of us have tried pushing on more than one occasion. I'm afraid the answer I've been given is that Hartmann is currently considered not suitable for the feature. Maybe with a bit of luck we might be able to review this in the future, but I'm afraid I can't promise anything.

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Ace - George "Screwball" Beurling

Nationality - Canadian

Service - RAF 

Aircraft - Spitfire VC

Variant - Spitfire MkVc (tier 12 one)

Serial Number - EP706 T-L 

Time frame - Summer 1942 (June, July)

Mod edit - approved by biographer

 

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"The Falcon of Malta"

 

27 Axis aircraft in 14 days over Malta and the Mediterranean

 

I also have quite a few books about the air war over Malta and this pilot in paticular if any additional sources are needed

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Then the German player base had better start submitting applications for Aces. Everybody else is. That list is the product of hard work from the community; there's no point in complaining, the idea is that if you want somebody considered then do a bit of homework.

 

I'd love to. But all the info I have about german aces is from wikipedia, and whenever I quote from there, I get the answer "Wikipedia is not a reliable source". So sady I can't do floral :/

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I would Suggest Rudolf Schoenert, 7th highest scoring night fighter ace, that flew the do 217 J version and is the Inventor of the Schrage musik. (I however do not have the resources to make a detailed post about it, so perhaps some1 is willing to do so?)

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Ace: Stoyan Stoyanov

Nationality: Bulgarian

Service: Royal Bulgarian Air Force

Aircraft: Messerschmitt Bf-109

Variant: G-6

Serial Number: 7 (20/7057)

Time Frame: Autumn of 1944

Approved by Biographer: Approved

Approved by Artist:

Final Approval: 

 

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Biography: 

 

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Stoyan Stoyanov was born on the 12th of March, 1913, in Galata village. Due to the death his father, a flag bearer, in the Balkan War, he studied in a school for war orphans. After graduating the ШЗО (School for Resreve Officers), he was accepted in the Royal Military Academy in Sofia in 1934. He graduated in 1938 and was promoted to the rank of  Lieutenant. In 1938 he was sent to Germany for training. After returning to Bulgaria, he became an instructor in the Karlovo flight school. In 1942, he became the commander of 682 (Jato) Sq./6th Fighter Regiment, equipped with Bf-109 G-2 and G-6s.

 

On the 1st of August 1943,  over 170 B-24 'Liberator; and B-17 'Flying Fortress' bombers enter Bulgarian airspace, on their way back to their bases in North Africa. Those bombers were part of Operation 'Tidal Wave', the Allied air raids over the Ploiesti oil fields in Romania. Fighters were immediately scrambled, and on this day the first Bulgarian air victory was scored. 4 bombers were taken down, two by Stoyanov. Stoyanov would participate in 35 flights against Allied bomber formations, shooting down 6 enemy planes and damaging 4 more.

 

After September the 9th, 1944, the day of the Commuinst coup in Bulgaria, Stoyanov would participate in the missions against the retreating German armies in Yugoslavia. By the end of 1944, he is promoted to major. In the beggining of 1945, he is one of the first pilots to transfer to the new Yak-9M fighters. In 1947 he is promoted to lieutenant colonel and commander of the Fighter Aviation (rough translation, original is Изтребителна Авиация). In 1951, he is promoted to colonel and deputy commander of the ПВО. He retires in 1956, and works at various places as a civilian, constantly under surveillance by the NS (National Security) due to having trained in Germany. After the fall of Communism in 1991, he is promoted to major-general of the reserve. He dies on the 13th of March, 1997.

 

Stoyanov was awarded with the Order for Bravery, and the German Iron Cross Second Class. He is regarded as the № 1 Bulgarian Ace of all time.

 

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Ok, started work on this one..

 

Ace: Wilfred Stanley Arthur DSO, DFC

Nationality: Australian

Service: RAAF 75th sqn

Aircraft: P40 Kittyhawk

Variant: P40E-1 Kittyhawk “polly”

Serial Number: A29-133

Time Frame: (14 April 1943)

Approved by Biographer: Yes

Approved by Artist:

Final Approval:

 

Images: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL/20242/?image=2

 

also, does it have to be a known "ACE".. as i would love to do an article on Nat Gould who flew Hurricanes in Russia in a plane called Vodka!... he had i think 9 unconfirmed kills..( it was a funny political thing at the time) he comes from my home town Brisbane is still alive (last time i heard) and my grandmother knows him and his family, 

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Caldwell is already on the list; for the rest of the individuals you've mentioned there is a quick form to fill in which is on the first page.

 

As for Hartmann, this is an issue which a few of us have tried pushing on more than one occasion. I'm afraid the answer I've been given is that Hartmann is currently considered not suitable for the feature. Maybe with a bit of luck we might be able to review this in the future, but I'm afraid I can't promise anything.

I understand Hartmann, I think....

 

don't want to speculate too much but having done some reading and catching some references in some research I'm doing on Gunther Rall, I think I get why Hartmann won't work and I know its not totally within your purview there.

 

 Could we maybe add a step in the process for German flyers or others who may or may not run afoul of the "unsuitable" tag for any reason?  

 

The extra step is basically a preliminary submission of the name and wait for the powers that be to reply before anyone does the digging for the info you need or you start deciding whether you have what you need for an article?  Seems it could save time in a couple of ways if provisional approval is given by the powers that be and then the onus goes back to the submitter to get all required info together in the format you would need to even consider an article.   Would this work?

 

edit: I think I just gave you my 1st test case if you like this method...lol

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Ace: HU: Szentgyörgyi Dezső   EN: Dezső Szentgyörgyi

Nationality: Hungarian

Service:  Royal Hungarian Airforce

Aircraft: Messerscmitt Bf 109

Variant: Bf 109 G-6

Serial number:

Time frame: 1944

Approved by Biographer: Approved, pending aircraft details

Approved by Artist:

Final Approval:

 

 

Hi.

I looked into my "Hungarian Aces of WWII" Osprey book. There is quite a lot information about him.

Also there are paint schemes for his:

- Bf 109F-4/B code V-07 and second one code "Yellow 7"

- Bf 109F-4 "red 2"

- Bf 109G-2/U4  code W-1/77

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Anglo - thanks very much, I'll get the list updated as soon as I can. With regards to Nat Gould, that sounds like a great idea: any chance you could meet him for an interview and scan a photo or two? It might make an awesome feature.

 

LC_W - yeah, that might be a good way of doing it. I want to feature German aces alongside every other nation but there are other factors involved - I discovered this the hard way after 3 weeks of research for a feature on Hans Ulrich Rudel! To be fair to Gaijin, I agree 100% in the case of this individual. I'd be interested to hear what you've dug up about Hartmann; I don't want to start yet another forum whining session so if you could PM me with your thoughts and findings on Hartmann, I'd be very interested to hear from you. As for compiling a list of potential German aces that is something we could start to look at. Again, if you PM a list to me and we cxan discuss it; if anybody else is interested in helping out then by all means let meknow. 

 

Botan - as always, thanks for stepping in! I'll get the list updated and then our first Hungarian ace can be pushed forward as a suggestion.

 

As an aside, I've also been trying to think of stepping outside of the normal run of fighter aces to potentially do the odd feature which is something a little different. Rudel was going to be my first German ace feature, but that's now not on the cards. I was also going to write up Guy Gibson, but whilst I can find a lot of information regarding Lancasters which he flew, I can't find any details confirming whether he ever flew the model of Lancaster currently featured in WT. If anybody has any ideas for pilots we could look at who aren't from the fighter fraternity, I'd love to hear them.

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As an aside, I've also been trying to think of stepping outside of the normal run of fighter aces to potentially do the odd feature which is something a little different.

Maybe Nadezhda Popova, one of the nightwitches, which flew the mighty Po-2?

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Maybe Nadezhda Popova, one of the nightwitches, which flew the mighty Po-2?

What a coincidence! I've already started work on a Night Witches feature. Popova would make an interesting focus, but Meklin would be the member of the 588th who leaps to mind to me for a feature. Whether it will be a stand alone article or have any additional content, I don't know yet. Considering the huge amount of negativity displayed by some corners of the forum every time any of us try to publish anything Russian, it is unfortunately a risk. It's a real shame because it was only the Soviet Union, as far as I'm aware, who deployed women as front line combat aviators during the Seocnd World War. This means that if we do want to feature this vital role of female combatants in aviation, the 'Russian bias' crowd will probably start whining. Anyhow, without giving too much away, for the female gamers who do play WT, hang in there until early next week at the latest for a soon to be released feature...

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Then, how about an article on Catalinas' search & rescue missions? Plenty of great stories there, and i'm pretty sure there could be an inpiring nose-art for the skin :3

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Ace: Gunther Rall

Nationality: German

Service: Luftwaffe, Bundeswehr

Aircraft: BF109 E, F,G. FW190, ME262, F-104

Variant: bf109 g2

Time Frame: 1936-1945, 1956-1975

Approved by Biographer: Approved

Approved by Artist:

Final Approval: 

 

I sent you the image of his "Black 13" g2 in a PM. 

 

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I found a Operation Record Book from day, when Jan Zumbach shot down  one Me 109 and damaged other in Spitfire Mk IIb. Just a small addition for my proposition.

 

 

1941-07-02

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11.50. Bomber escort from Martlesham. No opposition was met until the target was reached – then a sorties of dog fighting developed. Some aircraft stayed with the bombers and others became involved with the fighters. F/Lt. Kolaczkowski attacked two Me’s who were at attacking the bombers; one was destroyed by the Blenheim and the other by F/Lt. Kolaczkowski. F/O Zumbach shot down 1 Me in flame and damaged others. P/O Lipinski attacked and probably destroyed another Me.109. Sgt. Wojciechowski was wounded in the shoulder but returned to Martlesham suffering from loas of olood. It tramspired later that he had shot down one Me.109 in a series of dog fights. S/Ldr. Lapkowski was missing from this operation and it was thought that he had collided with another Spitfire belonging to Sgt. Gorecki. This transpiree to be incorrect for Gorecki was picked up three days later after 74 hours in Channel. There has been no further news of S/L. Lapkowski.

 

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Have an Ideer for a "great bomber" and starting with Richard "Dick" Best. Since he killed the Akagi almost alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Halsey_Best

 

Have a thought about Rudel, could it not be a hunt the stuka event instead?

Something about the sadness of the human psychie could be included, after all someone getting the highest award from a country would "rationalise" that there cause, must be the right one, or sink into dispair over the horror he helped do

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 I have respect for all they endured and all they achieved. I won't tolerate this level of disrespect towards any of these individuals.

 

And not mentioning Rudel because he kept believing in what he fought for even after the war ended is a tolerable disrespect?
 

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And not mentioning Rudel because he kept believing in what he fought for even after the war ended is a tolerable disrespect?
 

Yes, precisely. Because the majority of us around here do not tolerate or respect National Socialism and all it stood for. For the rest of you guys who have been posting with something useful and productive to say, my apologies I'll get some answers to you as soon as I can.

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Hi.

I looked into my "Hungarian Aces of WWII" Osprey book. There is quite a lot information about him.

Also there are paint schemes for his:

- Bf 109F-4/B code V-07 and second one code "Yellow 7"

- Bf 109F-4 "red 2"

- Bf 109G-2/U4  code W-1/77

Do you have any time frames on when these were used? Also, if we get the thumbs up here I might need some help with info for his bio, I'm finding this one quite difficult but certainly not impossible.

 

As an aside, the master list is now updated with a couple more community suggestions. 

 

Thanks very much for the suggestions on other ideas, particularly the Catalina suggestion (possibly the Black Cats? That might make a good feature) and featuring Richard Best. Do we have any details on Best's aircraft, particularly any registration numbers or colour schemes? All I've found after a quick google search is a die cast model with a number 81 on the side.

 

Thanks again for all of the input, guys!

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Do you have any time frames on when these were used? Also, if we get the thumbs up here I might need some help with info for his bio, I'm finding this one quite difficult but certainly not impossible.

 

Bf 109 F-4/B V-+07; 1/1 FS; Rossosh, Soviet Union, early 1943

Bf 109 F-4/B yellow "7"; 1/1 FS, Poltava, Soviet Union, late February 1943

Bf 109 F-4 red "2" 1/1 FS, Kursk-East, late 1943

Bf 109  G-6/U2 W-1+77, 101/2 "Puma" FS, Veszprem, Hungary January 1945.

 

Interesting thing. his first kill was ... German He 111, which was bombing Hungarian positions by mistake.

 

I'm not a specialist, and I may help, but my term at University of Technology starts now, so my time will be limited. Anyway somebody knowing Hungarian will be helpful. Especially that Puma unit seems to be very popular there, maybe because during communism their history were banned.   

 

Anyway I noticed one thing. Hungary were only foreign operators of FW190 F-8 (except some single captures planes by other counties), where plane may be connected with Aces. It's very low chance.

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Hi guys, quick update

 

- Molders 109E, Litvyak Yak-1 and Litvyak nose art decal are all now complete and awaiting the next suitably sized patch for upload. I'll see if I can get permission to post some screenshots if there is going to be a delay.

- Sakai Zero skin is next in the queue.

- We've started talks about this month's Ace; haven't even confirmed a nation yet but I'll drop some clues as soon as we've got a better idea.

 

Many thanks!

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Thanks for the update :salute:

 

Are you still after aces suggestions, or will you take some time to digest those already submitted?

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By all means, keep the suggestions coming! Some nations have a lot more suggestions than others so if we can get a larger bank of potential aces for these under represented nations, that would be great. Also, it makes it more of a surprise when we do release each feature, otherwise anybody who has read the first page of this thread will already know that the next ace is one out of only two possibilities.

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