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I'm not sure if he has been done already, but it would be nice to see Sailor Malan in.  He even fought against apartheid after the war. Guess better let the other nations have more aces as it probably is a bit RAF heavy at the moment!  But so many countries flew in the RAF it isn't that surprising.

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- So far we have featured an ace from each of the Main 5 nations, plus one other. We are still talking through what ratio we want for Main 5 vs Other Nations, but at the moment we will be going back to the start. So, to that end, the next ace will be Russian.

 

For the Americans, Gabreski or Vraciu might be interesting choices since while both were Americans, they were born to Polish and Romanian parents respectively.  Also, Vraciu was a Navy pilot (you had an Army ace last time) and "Gadget" would make a great skin, it was probably the most famous individual F6F after McCampbell's "Minsi III."

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       We've had community suggestions for aces from Australia, Canada, Poland, Czechoslovakia and many others. Now add New Zealand into the mix and the fact that we've already featured France, and you'll see that we've got a lot of aces from a lot of nations which are featured almost exclusively in the British Tech Tree. We've already had a complaint or two about Ace of the Month being 'British focused' so this is something we are having to give some thought with for future planning.

       On top of this, a good deal if not a majority of German aces were Bf109 pilots. Add to this that, for Germany's allies, the 109 was exported heavily to other nations, and you'll see we've got a potential '109 focus' to be aware of, also.

 

- So far we have featured an ace from each of the Main 5 nations, plus one other. We are still talking through what ratio we want for Main 5 vs Other Nations, but at the moment we will be going back to the start. So, to that end, the next ace will be Russian.

 

You just can't pleased everybody, do you remember that guy whining, that only Axis Aces are presented?  :lol: 

It's nobody fault, that there is a lot of aces from other nation at UK planes and Bf 109. People, who do not like that, may complain to history, not to us, just ignore them.

Also, do you count Italy as a main country, or as a other one? After all, we have their planes in tree, so they are something between.

 

Other proposition, which may help in future, a Bulgarian ace and Soviet plane. I found it at decals sheet for plastic models. it's a plane number 20:

20. Yak-9M - tact.# 1 - this aircraft was presented to Stojan Stojanov (a Bulgarian ace pilot), by A.Pokryshkin (the Soviet ace, triple HSU). Bulgaria 1945

 

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Bulgarian markings after joining Allies are quite tempting.

 

Source

http://www.printscale.org/product_212.html

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I guess it won't be Kurt Tanzer because his Fw 190 A-4 and D-9 isn't ingame yet, but i guess he will be a ace of the month later. Also he is born in moscow, maybe something the dev-team could be attached to ;) To bad he died through flying a Shooting Star... but if not he maybe also would have died by flying a Star-Fighter later. Why western germany bought such planes, it was called "Witwenmacher" (Widowmaker).

 

Back to topic: Herbert Ihlefeld was piloting a Bf 109 E-3 and even a He 162 Salamander, so planes that are ingame. Hoping for a He 162 skin but this would involve to less players... so maybe his E-3 but his Bf109 C has much nicer :D

 

Btw: he was born in one of the less populated regions of my beautiful Brandenburg :)

 

His Bf-109E-3

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Weise 1 of Rudolf Schmit and Weise 5 tof Hpt. Helmut Künnecke, JG1, the same Squadron like Herbert Ihlefeld

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his Bf109 C(? or B?) of the Legion Condor

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And at least: Hans-Joachim Marseille, Berliner and undefeated ace (like the other two, if you don't count his own G-2 which killed him by bailing out because of engine failure). His superior flying at combat over africa got him the nickname "Stern von Afrika" (star of africa) and his Bf 109 F-4/trop and G-2 are ingame and an average player base could take part to get his painting. But i would get his E-4/trop skin instead :) Even if i prefare Ihlefeld, i guess it would be Marseille

 

His Bf 109 E-4/trop

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His F-4/Trop

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Bf 109 G-2

 

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I would not want to fly his G model! As it was the one that had engine failure and he died! Great research! I would like to see the Jd 23 who flew the Me 262 defending the city of Berlin!

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Hello guys!

     The latest update:

 

- Molders 109 skin is all but ready to go. Fingers crossed, it will hopefully be on the next large-ish update.

- Whilst the next ace will be a community suggestion Russian pilot, the one after that is currently planned to be another community suggestion but this time outside the main 5 nations.

- In answer to Botan's question, I'm not currently counting Italy as one of the main nations. That certainly does not mean we won't be featuring any Italian aces, but unfortunately there are notoriously scant records kept on Italian aviators during the Second World War. It'll be problematic, but not impossible.

- We've had a bit of a chat and the future selection of Aces will be slightly changed. So, for any suggestions from you guys which you want to be seriously  considered, we will need the following:

     1 - The Aces aircraft has to be the exact variant featured in the game. For example, if the Ace flew a Spitfire Mk.VIII, that ace will not be considered until that variant of Spitfire is in WT.

     2 - If you can provide links to photos or colour schematics of their aircraft, that will significantly aid chances of selection. I'm afraid things like paintings, computer graphics or model kits won't help much, we do need as much original material or historical sources as possible.

     3 - Finally, for the biography, there needs to be a reasonable chance of me researching the guy. I love finding out about some of the less well known aces of the war, but they can be difficult to research! Please keep this in mind; we need a lot more to go off than just a wikipedia entry. Every ace so far was been written up based on historical sources of, in a few cases, information from museums. If we just re-wrote wikipedia, it wouldn't be fair to you guys and wouldn't be very interesting!

 

Anyhow, hope that helps and apologies if this rules out any of the aces you guys have been thinking of. Please keep the ideas coming, the last Ace was a community suggestion and the current plans are for the next 3 aces to also be pilots you guys have requested!

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Good job man. This is one of my favorite topics! Thank you for your effort and time put into it

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   2 - If you can provide links to photos or colour schematics of their aircraft, that will significantly aid chances of selection. I'm afraid things like paintings, computer graphics or model kits won't help much, we do need as much original material or historical sources as possible.

     3 - Finally, for the biography, there needs to be a reasonable chance of me researching the guy. I love finding out about some of the less well known aces of the war, but they can be difficult to research! Please keep this in mind; we need a lot more to go off than just a wikipedia entry. Every ace so far was been written up based on historical sources of, in a few cases, information from museums. If we just re-wrote wikipedia, it wouldn't be fair to you guys and wouldn't be very interesting!

 

Good to know, that more detailed information is needed, I think it would be helpful for new people here to put that in first topic post.

I would not underestimate a scale modellers. In fact, most of  history books just do not concentrate on planes colours, they just at some photos and some "close" to original paint scheme. From the other hand, the "hardcore" scale modellers are group the most interested in detailed informations about skins, colours etc.

If you look for such informations, scale modellers forums are place, where you can find a people with amazing knowledge supported by analysed books and photos. I have read people arguing even on colour of some elements in cockpits.  For UK I suggest britmodeller forum.

Also some good decals producers on their decals put a links for books and sources, there are not proofs, but good trails.

 

Some publisher know, that modellers are good target, so they started to publish a books dedicated for colours, for example  MMP Books.

 

Like this books:

http://mmpbooks.biz/mmp/books.php?book_id=217

As you can see, books consist a photos of planes with descriptions next to colour paint.

 

For polish books I recommend "Polish wings" series from them. I have some books/scans, so if need something, just say.

 

Thank you for you job.

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The input is definitely appreciated, but I'm afraid that keeping this project going (and accurate) takes a lot more work than just looking up a list on wikipedia! :) 

 

Botan: I completely agree about the accuracy of scale modellers. These guys REALLY know how to do research - so, they're great for providing help and assistance but from Gaijin's point of view, if they want reference material provided then a photo of a scale model won't do the trick, because they don't know how accurate that model is, no matter how perfect it might look. But you are correct and I think it is a good idea to try to get some more contact established with the scale modeller community to help with the research.

 

Also, good point about changing the initial post - I'll get that done as soon as I have the chance.

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The input is definitely appreciated, but I'm afraid that keeping this project going (and accurate) takes a lot more work than just looking up a list on wikipedia! :) 

 

True but its a start and gives us something to go with and investigate further

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True but its a start and gives us something to go with and investigate further

You might be underestimating the levels of knowledge of some of the guys who have a regular input into this area of the game. A list of names on a notoriously unreliable website perhaps isn't the best place to draw a line in the sand, and also doesn't really narrow anything down. Are there any particular names on that list you were interested in seeing in future features?

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You might be underestimating the levels of knowledge of some of the guys who have a regular input into this area of the game. A list of names on a notoriously unreliable website perhaps isn't the best place to draw a line in the sand, and also doesn't really narrow anything down. Are there any particular names on that list you were interested in seeing in future features?

yes i was interested in  trying to find the pilot in my avatar just out of curiosity and this is what i found so far 

 

This pilot claimed to have broken the sound barrier

 

Harold Elwood “Bunny” Comstock was a World War II fighter ace in the 56th Fighter Group and a career fighter pilot in the United States Air Force. After a test flight of the P-47 Thunderbolt on 13 November 1942, Republic Aviation issued a press release on 1 December 1942, claiming that he and fellow pilot Lt. Roger Dyar had exceeded the speed of sound.

 

http://www.spokeo.com/Harold+E+Comstock+1

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_E._Comstock

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Ah, come on you can't neglect the german ace pilots because you might upset someone. WWII is in the past and in the skies only thing that mattered was survival and ruling the air.

What about Franz Von Werra being featured? Therefor my name.

 

The One that got Away - full movie based on the german ace (The Great Escape movie is heavily influenced by this real-story)

 

Information about his flying kills - not much compared to the other german aces but he have a intresting life during WWII

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Hello Franz - thanks for your post and ideas, now seems like a good time to give an update on what's happening with German aces...

 

- Von Werra is, I think, a very interesting guy to look at and a good suggestion. However, the vast majority of the German player base want high scoring aces. People are consistently asking for 100 kiil, 200 kill, 300 kill aces... which is a shame because pilots like Von Werra have fascinating stories and we don't want these to fall by the wayside. However, we also need exact references for the skins. A recent policy change means we are now moving away from things like the Dickie Cork Sea Hurricane where we put a Sea Hurricane skin on a land based Hurricane without an arrestor hook. Now, we're going only for the EXACT model of aircraft. That means that we have to find photos and details not only of Von Werra's aircraft markings, but also they need to be an exact WT aircraft type and model. This is where it gets more difficult to feature lesser known aces like Von Werra, as interesting as they might be.

 

- To keep you guys updated, the Molders 109 skin is complete but there are a few glitches which the guys are ironing out before it gets uploaded. I would predict we're looking at days rather than weeks now before we see it.

 

- On the subject of neglecting history for the risk of upsetting somebody, this is not my decision to make. I write the bios and would say speculatively that I have about 75% control over which aces are chosen, but at the end of the day it is a company decision whether each project proceeds or not. And in this case, I've got to be honest, I agree wholeheartedly with their policy. For an international gaming package like War Thunder, you simply can't have 'Hans Ulrich Rudel Weekend! Fly the aircraft that celebrated party member and zealous National Socialist Rudel used during the war!' It's not upsetting a few people, it's insulting entire nations and disrespecting the law in those countries.

 

- The next German ace: this is nearly half a year away and a lot can change, but my current plan is for a Bf109F pilot who - and I know the German fanbase wants high scorers - shot down more aircraft than Molders did. He is also a VERY popular community suggestion who just keeps coming back!

 

- As an aside, next month's Ace I've already spoken briefly about: Russian, another community suggestion, not a particularly 'high scorer' as such but certainly unique and very famous within aviation circles...

 

- Lastly, your comment on 'The Great Escape'  - I can see where there is a bit of influence, but to say that the entire movie was heavily influenced by Von Werra's exploits?!?! He didn't dig three tunnels and plan a mass escape involving 50 personnel, which is kind of what the movie is about and the historically accurate part. He attempted to steal an enemy aircraft, which is what two of the movie characters do - other than that, I'd be really interested to hear what parts of the movie are based on Von Werra, because I know little about him. If you get a chance and a couple of spare minutes it would be great if you could write a post and detail which parts of the movie are based on Von Werra. I don't think it's much, but I'd be delighted and very interested for you to correct me!  :)s

 

Thanks again.

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 That means that we have to find photos and details not only of Von Werra's aircraft markings, but also they need to be an exact WT aircraft type and model. This is where it gets more difficult to feature lesser known aces like Von Werra, as interesting as they might be.

 

Fortunately von Werra is very popular in modellers community, and it's appear very often in models.

 

$%28KGrHqR,!hgE+WT47F-2BQLj!%28yNpQ~~60_ It's his plane

 

 

And Photos

 

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Few seconds of google.

 

Unfortunately it's a Bf 109E-4, not a in game Bf 109E-3.

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I'm reliably informed that it has a different canopy...

Right you are, But these are my findings.

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E-4 Canopy.

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Ingame 109 'e-3' model.

 

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From what I gather, the 109 in game seems to be a 109 e-3. Or perhaps an extremely late production line model e-3 where they began to implement the lower glass plane near the engine mountings.

But at the same time, very early 109 e-4 models still used the older cockpits.  Werra flew a mid production E-4 sadly, so i guess you can't use the current model like you mentioned, even though it's the visual difference of rounded glass and metal edges plus some very minor sheet metal fixings. 

Not quire the sharp edges like the E-4 has, but cosmetically, A remodel of that section would be a very similar amount of time to the creation of a skin. 

 

Which brings me to a proper statement.

 

 

What about ace pilots who personally customized aircraft, such as mirrors or additional/removed weaponry, cockpits etc.

How would their aircraft be implement with this new system.

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- ... People are consistently asking for 100 kiil, 200 kill, 300 kill aces... which is a shame because pilots like Von Werra have fascinating stories and we don't want these to fall by the wayside. ...

 

 

- The next German ace: this is nearly half a year away and a lot can change, but my current plan is for a Bf109F pilot who - and I know the German fanbase wants high scorers - shot down more aircraft than Molders did. He is also a VERY popular community suggestion who gust keeps coming back!

 

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I prefering also fascinating stories over 100+kills :(  I hope you don't bringing Marseille, the star of africa, as a Bf 109 F-4 ace. There are too much people which will change there names to something "Marseille" and flying his plane (maybe also the G-2). 

 

I would like to see Hermann Graf, because of his fighting skill not his over 200 kills (he rammed a P-51 when ran out of ammo o7 ). I postet his Bf109 G-2, Bf109 G-6 and Fw190 A-5 one page ago :). All these planes are ingame and i really want to have this G-6 skin (looking like the Yak-3 one )

 

Or Herbert Ihlefeld and it's E-3 :)  He was born not so far away from my home town.

 

His E-3

 

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Grafs G-2

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Grafs G-6

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Grafs A-5

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Slightly off topic but regarding Aces, does anyone know why the Spit IX skin which is Johnnie Johnsons has a little Canadian flag on it? 

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Slightly off topic but regarding Aces, does anyone know why the Spit IX skin which is Johnnie Johnsons has a little Canadian flag on it? 

Well noticed! After being promoted to Wing Commander, Johnson took command of No.144 Wing at RAF Kenley, which was a Canadian wing. 

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Well noticed! After being promoted to Wing Commander, Johnson took command of No.144 Wing at RAF Kenley, which was a Canadian wing. 

 

 

Ah ok thanks, that's cool. I wondered because as far as i could tell he was English so couldn't see the Canadian connection. 

 

Just goes to show the awesome little details in this game! 

 

Thanks for the pic above as well Blue Leader.

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