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Italian - Hungarian Tank Tech Tree

Hi all, sorry but i don't know your language.

I'm the Italian Forum Moderator and with our community are working on the Italian Tank Tree for War Thunder.

You already know that in the nearly future (soon) the game will recive the Italian Tech Tree for the planes and maby the Romania will be added with it (not certain)

I was thinking if you (as community) are interested to put the Hungarian tech tree (tanks) together with the Italian one.

I know that Hungary and Italy got very similar ground units and i think that your country must be represented in game too.

If you agree you have to work researching info about your tanks and do a technical table of them writing all the data of each unit just like these: http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/181097-schede-tecniche-carri-italiani/?p=3469653#entry3469653

 

i hope in your contributions and an answer about this proposal.

 

Thanks for reading :D

 

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[spoiler]sajnálom, de nem tudom a nyelvet.

Én vagyok az olasz moderátor és a közösség dolgozik az olasz Tank Fa for War Thunder.

Már tudom, hogy a közel jövőben (hamarosan) a játék kapni az olasz Tech Fa a repülőgépek és Maby a Románia bekerül vele (nem biztos)

Arra gondoltam, ha (mint közösség) érdekli, hogy tegye a magyar tech tree (tankok) együtt az olasz egyet.

Tudom, hogy Magyarország és Olaszország van nagyon hasonlít a földi egységek és azt hiszem, hogy az országot kell képviselnie a játékban is.

Ha egyetért meg kell dolgozni kutatása információ a tankok, és nem egy technikai táblázatot az írás, hogy a dátum az egyes egységek, mint ezek: http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/181097-schede-tecniche-carri-italiani/?p=3469653#entry3469653

Remélem, a járulékokról és választ erről a javaslatról.

Köszönöm az olvasást: D
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Hi Mate, good to see you here :)

 

I guess we already have such a topic about planes, just in Hungarian. Here you can find it:

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/24569-magyar-vagy-magyar-vonatkoz%C3%A1s%C3%BA-rep%C3%BCl%C5%91g%C3%A9pek/page-3

 

And also about TANKS in English:

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/99328-international-tank-tech-tree-lets-build-it/

 

Pics:

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/71571-official-tank-pictures-tread/page-23#entry3892047

 

As you see there are several active members and its a multi-nation topic, but I suggest you to contact Hebime, our personal Hungarian CH, he is the most active and I'm sure he will do his best to see Hungarian planes and tanks in game :)

 

Kindest regards! 

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Hy there people. I already suggested Hungarian tanks about a year ago. Here and here. Mass produced tanks, and prototype tanks, that were tested and ready for mass production. I only need to put my hands on one specific book to see if there is an armor layout for the Hungarian tanks, so modelling them would be eadier for the developers.

 

I also cleared out some misuderstanding in the International Tech Tree Project forum about the hungarian airplanes, but it seems that nobody bothered, as Hungary is still nowhere on the list. These are all the informations I can provide for this project, hopefully there will be something. :salute:

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:salute:  i will do all in my possession to put the hungarian units inside the Italian TT

i think that as premium there could be putted the german units in "foreign" service like Ju87, Ju88 Bf109 (for both) Ju96, fw190(for Hungary)

StuGIIIG (for both) PzIVG PzIIIN  (for Italy) PzIIIA ,PzIVF1,Tiger H1 (for Hungary)

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sorry for the "dig" but the Italian community is still interested to put the ungarian units into the Italian tree to fill some gaps in Rank 3 and 4.
the units are:

44M Zrínyi I
40/43M Zrínyi II

38M Toldi I
38M Toldi II
38M Toldi IIa

38M Toldi III
39M Csaba
40M Nimrod
40M Turan I
41M Turan II
43M Turan III

44M TAS

44M Tas Rohamloveg

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Hi, you shoud write to Hebime, he is our hungarian tank specialist. :Ds

sorry for the "dig" but the Italian community is still interested to put the ungarian units into the Italian tree to fill some gaps in Rank 3 and 4.
the units are:

44M Zrínyi I
40/43M Zrínyi II

38M Toldi I
38M Toldi II
38M Toldi IIa

38M Toldi III
39M Csaba
40M Nimrod
40M Turan I
41M Turan II
43M Turan III

44M TAS

44M Tas Rohamloveg

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sorry for the "dig" but the Italian community is still interested to put the ungarian units into the Italian tree to fill some gaps in Rank 3 and 4.
the units are:

44M Zrínyi I
40/43M Zrínyi II

38M Toldi I
38M Toldi II
38M Toldi IIa

38M Toldi III
39M Csaba
40M Nimrod
40M Turan I
41M Turan II
43M Turan III

44M TAS

44M Tas Rohamloveg

Just a few things.

 

The Toldi I and the Toldi II are the same designs with 20 mm heavy gun. The only difference between them is that the Toldi I had a magazine fed MG, while the Toldi II had a belt fed MG. And the radio antenna, but that's all. Almost everyone confuses the Toldi II with the Toldi IIa, which was the 40 mm cannon variant.

 

The picture you posted as a Toldi II is actually the Toldi III.

 

The picture you posted as a Toldi III is actually the Toldi IIAK, an experinmental Toldi IIa with side skirts.

 

The Tas rohamlöveg (assault gun) never existed, not even on paper. The first researcher made a mistake. The Hungarian government ordered 2 Tas tanks, one made of iron and one with armor plates. The number of the ordered vehicles confused - because Hungarian researchers had no idea that the Tas tank ever existed until the 70s - 80s - the researcher and thought that one was ordered for an assault gun variant, but that's not true. The one made of iron would have acted as the prototype on which changes could be made if needed, and the one made of armor plates would be the very first of the series.

 

Also, the Hungarian tanks could not fill the gaps between Tier 3 and 4, because sadly they are only fit into Tier 1-2. Only the Tas would be a perfect Tier 3 vehicle.

 

The Toldi I (and Toldi II) is roughly the same as the Pz.Kpfw. II with lower rate of fire.

The Toldi IIA with the 40 mm gun is roughly equal to a T-26 or BT-5/BT-7.

The Toldi IIAK is the same as the T-26E.

The Nimród SPAAG is roughly equal to the Sd.Kfz. 6/2, but with a slightly stronger armor.

The Turán I is the same as the Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) Ausf. F.

The Turán II is equal to a Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F1.

The Turán III is equal to a Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F2, but with a slightly weaker gun (around 20 mm less penetration).

The Zrínyi I is roughly the same as the StuG III Ausf. F, with a slightly weaker gun (around 20 mm less penetration).

The Zrínyi II is equal to the StuH 42 G.

The Tas tank is roughly a Panther tank with the cannon of a Tiger, if it has the 80 mm gun it was originally designed with. If it recieves the 75 mm gun, then the gun's penetration is roughly equal to the Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F2 but with 10-20 mm less penetration.

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Just a few things.

The Toldi I and the Toldi II are the same designs with 20 mm heavy gun. The only difference between them is that the Toldi I had a magazine fed MG, while the Toldi II had a belt fed MG. And the radio antenna, but that's all. Almost everyone confuses the Toldi II with the Toldi IIa, which was the 40 mm cannon variant.

The picture you posted as a Toldi II is actually the Toldi III.

The picture you posted as a Toldi III is actually the Toldi IIAK, an experinmental Toldi IIa with side skirts.

The Tas rohamlöveg (assault gun) never existed, not even on paper. The first researcher made a mistake. The Hungarian government ordered 2 Tas tanks, one made of iron and one with armor plates. The number of the ordered vehicles confused - because Hungarian researchers had no idea that the Tas tank ever existed until the 70s - 80s - the researcher and thought that one was ordered for an assault gun variant, but that's not true. The one made of iron would have acted as the prototype on which changes could be made if needed, and the one made of armor plates would be the very first of the series.

Also, the Hungarian tanks could not fill the gaps between Tier 3 and 4, because sadly they are only fit into Tier 1-2. Only the Tas would be a perfect Tier 3 vehicle.

The Toldi I (and Toldi II) is roughly the same as the Pz.Kpfw. II with lower rate of fire.
The Toldi IIA with the 40 mm gun is roughly equal to a T-26 or BT-5/BT-7.
The Toldi IIAK is the same as the T-26E.
The Nimród SPAAG is roughly equal to the Sd.Kfz. 6/2, but with a slightly stronger armor.
The Turán I is the same as the Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) Ausf. F.
The Turán II is equal to a Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F1.
The Turán III is equal to a Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F2, but with a slightly weaker gun (around 20 mm less penetration).
The Zrínyi I is roughly the same as the StuG III Ausf. F, with a slightly weaker gun (around 20 mm less penetration).
The Zrínyi II is equal to the StuH 42 G.
The Tas tank is roughly a Panther tank with the cannon of a Tiger, if it has the 80 mm gun it was originally designed with. If it recieves the 75 mm gun, then the gun's penetration is roughly equal to the Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F2 but with 10-20 mm less penetration.


Thanks for tue answers, the TAS Is very interesting,i think it fan fill the gap in tank 4 with the 80mm gun.

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I thought that the zrinyi I was similar to the Italian Ansaldo M42 75/34 with a longer gun.

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Thanks for tue answers, the TAS Is very interesting,i think it fan fill the gap in tank 4 with the 80mm gun.

The armor penetration would not be as strong to fit into that category. The 80 mm gun could penetrate 160-170 mm armor from 10 meters at 0°. It depends on which 80 mm gun it has, because there were two candidates.

 

I thought that the zrinyi I was similar to the Italian Ansaldo M42 75/34 with a longer gun.

Almost. The Zrínyi I had better frontal armor and a licence built version of the 7.5 cm PaK 40 L/46, but it had a slightly weaker armor penetration than the original one. Well the 75 mm frontal armor would make the Zrínyi I into a top Tier 2 or Low Tier 3 tank.

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The armor penetration would not be as strong to fit into that category. The 80 mm gun could penetrate 160-170 mm armor from 10 meters at 0°. It depends on which 80 mm gun it has, because there were two candidates.

 

Almost. The Zrínyi I had better frontal armor and a licence built version of the 7.5 cm PaK 40 L/46, but it had a slightly weaker armor penetration than the original one. Well the 75 mm frontal armor would make the Zrínyi I into a top Tier 2 or Low Tier 3 tank.

Sorry, the Zrinyi I is similar to the Ansaldo M43 75/46
got the same cannon (75L46) and 100mm in frontal armor.

The Italian community classified the Ansaldo M43 as Rank 3 BR 5.3
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they are very similar

 

these are the Italian ammo values:

Nome: AP

Peso: 6,8 kg

Velocità volata: 800m/s

Penetrazione (100m,200m,500m,1000m,1500m): 98mm, 97mm, 93mm, 86mm, 79mm a 0°

 

Nome: HE M36

Peso: 6,5 kg

Velocità volata: 800m/s

Penetrazione (100m,200m,500m,1000m,1500m): -

 

Nome: HEAT

Peso: 7,45 kg

Velocità volata: 720m/s

Penetrazione (100m,200m,500m,1000m,1500m): 120mm a 0°

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The Zriny II was similar to the italian Ansaldo M43 105/25 armed with a L25 cannon instead the L20 howitzer of the hungarian one.

[spoiler]Nome: AP

Peso: 16.3 Kg

Velocità volata: 510 m/s 

Penetrazione (100m, 500m, 1000m, 1500m, 2000m): 89mm, 78mm, 62mm, 51mm, 40mm (Contro piastra RHA inclinata di 30°)

 

Nome: Effetto Pronto (HEAT)

Peso: 13.7 Kg

Velocità volata: 390 m/s

Penetrazione (100m, 500m, 1000m, 1500m, 2000m): 121mm, 121mm, 121mm, 121mm,  -- mm (Contro piastra RHA inclinata di 30°)

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The line could looks like:
M43 75/34
Zriny I
M43 75/46
Zriny II
M43 105/25

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Sorry, the Zrinyi I is similar to the Ansaldo M43 75/46
got the same cannon (75L46) and 100mm in frontal armor.

The Italian community classified the Ansaldo M43 as Rank 3 BR 5.3

Ah, sorry, I just took a quick check on Wikipedia, and didn't checked it right. I looked at the 75/34's datas accidentaly.

 

Sadly, most hungarian datas are missing or can't be looked at the internet. For 100% sure datas (like muzzle velocity) one should visit the Archives of the Museum of Military History in Budapest. But what we do know:

 

Zrínyi I (and Turán III, because they had the same gun) penetration datas

 

Armor Piercing with High Explosive filler, Ballistic Cap, Tracer shell (APHEBC-T)

Name: 43.M páncélgránát (páncélgránát can be roughly translated as armor grenade, equals to german panzergranate)

Velocity: 770 m/s

Penetration (100m, 300m, 500m, 1000m): 85mm, 80mm, 76mm, 66mm at 30° from vertical

                                                                    113mm, 106mm, 101mm, 88mm at 0°

 

Hollow charge grenade with Tracer (HEAT-T)

Name: 43.M páncélrobbantó gránát (armor exploder grenade)

Penetration: 90 mm at 30° from vertical

 

Armor piercing Composite Rigid shell with Tracer (APCR-T)

Name: 43.M különleges német páncélgránát (special german armor grenade)

It was the german Panzergranate 40 APCR shell.

 

They also had HE shells, but I have no idea about the penetration value of that.

 

The Zriny II was similar to the italian Ansaldo M43 105/25 armed with a L25 cannon instead the L20 howitzer of the hungarian one.

[spoiler]Nome: AP

Peso: 16.3 Kg

Velocità volata: 510 m/s 

Penetrazione (100m, 500m, 1000m, 1500m, 2000m): 89mm, 78mm, 62mm, 51mm, 40mm (Contro piastra RHA inclinata di 30°)

 

Nome: Effetto Pronto (HEAT)

Peso: 13.7 Kg

Velocità volata: 390 m/s

Penetrazione (100m, 500m, 1000m, 1500m, 2000m): 121mm, 121mm, 121mm, 121mm,  -- mm (Contro piastra RHA inclinata di 30°)

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The Zrínyi II had no AP shells. It had only HE shells and Hollow charge shells (HEAT-T), which could penetrate 80mm armor at 30° from vertical.

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Sorry, the Zrinyi I is similar to the Ansaldo M43 75/46
got the same cannon (75L46) and 100mm in frontal armor.

The Italian community classified the Ansaldo M43 as Rank 3 BR 5.3

Ok, here are some infos about the Hungarian tanks.

 

Toldi I

Hull (front/side/rear): 13 / 13 / 7 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 13 / 13 / 13 mm

Speed: 50 km/h

Armament: 20 mm heavy gun

Ammo: APHE-T (velocity: 762 m/s), HE-T

Penetration with APHE-T: 20 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical (Finnish sources)

                                         35 mm - 300 m - 0° (Unknown sources)

                                         20 mm - 500 m - 0° (Hungarian sources)

                                         16 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical (Hungarian sources)

 

With this weak armor and low penetration values, I think it's not a question. Rank 1, BR 1.0

 

Toldi IIA

Hull (front/side/rear): 23 / 13 / 13 mm (driver's hatch is 35 mm)

Turret (front/side/rear) : 35 / 13 / 13 mm

Speed: 46 km/h

Armament: 40 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 800 m/s), HE-T, APBC-T

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 46 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              42 mm - 300 m - 30° from vertical

                                              36 mm - 600 m - 30° from vertical

                                              30 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 1, BR 1.3

 

Toldi IIAK (Toldi IIA with spaced armor)

Hull (front/side/rear): 23 / 13+5 / 13 mm (driver's hatch is 35 mm)

Turret (front/side/rear) : 35 / 13+5 / 13+5 mm

Speed: 43 km/h

Armament: 40 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 800 m/s), HE-T, APBC-T

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 46 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              42 mm - 300 m - 30° from vertical

                                              36 mm - 600 m - 30° from vertical

                                              30 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 1, BR 1.7, Premium

 

Toldi III

Hull (front/side/rear): 35 / 13 / 10 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 35 / 13 / 13 mm

Speed: 45 km/h

Armament: 40 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 800 m/s), HE-T, APBC-T

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 46 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              42 mm - 300 m - 30° from vertical

                                              36 mm - 600 m - 30° from vertical

                                              30 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 1 or Rank 2, BR 2.0

 

Toldi tank hunter

Hull (front/side/rear): 23 / 13 / 13 mm (driver's hatch is 35 mm)

Turret (front/side) : 23 / 13 mm

Speed: 45 km/h

Armament: 75 mm cannon (PaK 40, L/46)

Ammo: PzGr. 39 (velocity: 790 m/s), PzGr. 40, PzGr. 38 HL/B (450 m/s, 75 mm - 30°)

Penetration with PzGr. 39: 108 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              96 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              80 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

                                              64 mm - 1500 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 2, BR 2.7, Premium

 

Nimród

Hull (front/side/rear): 10 / 10 / 7 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 10 / 10 / 10 mm

Speed: 46,5 km/h

Armament: 40 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 850 m/s), HE-T, APBC-T, HEAT (shaped charge, fin stabilized, like the Stielgranate 41, 110 m/s, 180 mm - 0°)

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 50 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              40 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              32 mm - 1200 m - 30° from vertical

                                              25 mm - 1600 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 2, BR 2.7

 

Turán I

Hull (front/side/rear): 50 / 25 / 25 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 50 / 25 / 25 mm

Speed: 47,2 km/h

Armament: 40 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 850 m/s), HE-T, APBC-T

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 55 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              45 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              35 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

                                              27 mm - 1500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              21 mm - 2000 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 2, BR 2.0

 

Turán I with spaced armor

Hull (front/side/rear): 50 / 25+6 / 25 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 50 / 25+6 / 25+6 mm

Speed: 46 km/h

Armament: 40 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 850 m/s), HE-T, APBC-T

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 55 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              45 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              35 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

                                              27 mm - 1500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              21 mm - 2000 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 2, BR 2.3

 

Turán II

Hull (front/side/rear): 50 / 25 / 25 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 50 / 25 / 25 mm

Speed: 45 km/h

Armament: 75 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 450 m/s), HE-T, HEAT-T (70 mm - 30°, 90 mm - 0°)

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 56 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              51 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              45 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 2, BR 2.7 or 3.3

 

Turán II with spaced armor

Hull (front/side/rear): 50 / 25+6 / 25 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 50 / 25+6 / 25+6 mm

Speed: 43 km/h

Armament: 75 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 450 m/s), HE-T, HEAT-T (70 mm - 30°, 90 mm - 0°)

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 56 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical

                                              51 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical

                                              45 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical

 

Rank 2, BR 3.3 or 3.7

 

Turán III

Hull (front/side/rear): 75 / 35+8 / 35 mm

Turret (front/side/rear) : 75 / 35+8 / 55+8 mm

Speed: 39 km/h

Armament: 75 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 770 m/s), HE-T, APCR-T (German PzGr. 40), HEAT-T (90 mm - 30°)

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 85 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical     113 mm - 100 m - 0°

                                              80 mm - 300 m - 30° from vertical     106 mm - 300 m - 0°

                                              76 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical     101 mm - 500 m - 0°

                                              66 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical   88 mm - 1000 m - 0°

 

Rank 2, BR 3.7

or

Rank 3, BR 4.3 or 4.7

 

Zrínyi I

Hull (front/side/rear): 75 / 25 / 25 mm (the gun mantlet is 25 mm thick, so in places where it's on the 75 mm frontal armor, the complete thickness is 100 mm)

Speed: 43 km/h

Armament: 75 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 770 m/s), HE-T, APCR-T (German PzGr. 40), HEAT-T (90 mm - 30°)

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 85 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical     113 mm - 100 m - 0°

                                              80 mm - 300 m - 30° from vertical     106 mm - 300 m - 0°

                                              76 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical     101 mm - 500 m - 0°

                                              66 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical   88 mm - 1000 m - 0°

 

Rank 2, BR 3.7

or

Rank 3, BR 4.3 or 4.7

 

Zrínyi I with rockets

Hull (front/side/rear): 75 / 25 / 25 mm (the gun mantlet is 25 mm thick, so in places where it's on the 75 mm frontal armor, the complete thickness is 100 mm)

Speed: 43 km/h

Armament: 75 mm cannon + 6 Nebelwerfer 41 tubes (15 cm)

Ammo: APHEBC-T (velocity: 770 m/s), HE-T, APCR-T (German PzGr. 40), HEAT-T (90 mm - 30°)

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 85 mm - 100 m - 30° from vertical     113 mm - 100 m - 0°

                                              80 mm - 300 m - 30° from vertical     106 mm - 300 m - 0°

                                              76 mm - 500 m - 30° from vertical     101 mm - 500 m - 0°

                                              66 mm - 1000 m - 30° from vertical   88 mm - 1000 m - 0°

 

Rank 3, BR 4.0 or 4.7, Premium

 

Zrínyi II

Hull (front/side/rear): 75 / 25 / 25 mm (the gun mantlet is 25 mm thick, so in places where it's on the 75 mm frontal armor, the complete thickness is 100 mm)

Speed: 43 km/h

Armament: 105 mm howitzer

Ammo: HEAT-T (444 m/s, 17 kg), HE-T (471 m/s, 15,04 kg)

Penetration with HEAT-T: 80 mm - 30° from vertical

                                            

Rank 2, BR 3.7

 

Zrínyi II with spaced armor

Hull (front/side/rear): 75 / 25+5 / 25 mm (the gun mantlet is 25 mm thick, so in places where it's on the 75 mm frontal armor, the complete thickness is 100 mm)

Speed: 40 km/h

Armament: 105 mm howitzer

Ammo: HEAT-T (444 m/s, 17 kg), HE-T (471 m/s, 15,04 kg)

Penetration with HEAT-T: 80 mm - 30° from vertical

                                            

Rank 3, BR 4.0

 

Tas

Hull (front/side/rear): 75 / 50 / 100 mm (lower glacis is 120 mm, the relative armor thickness of the sloped 75 mm armor is 150 mm)

Turret (front/side/rear) : 100 / 100 / 100 mm

Speed: 47 km/h

Armament: 75 or 80 mm cannon

Ammo: APHEBC-T, HE-T, HEAT-T, APBC-T

Penetration with APHEBC-T: 75 mm cannon -> same as the Turán III and Zrínyi I

                                              80 mm 29/38.M cannon -> max. 170 mm - 10 m - 0°

                                              80 mm 29/44.M cannon -> max. 180-190 mm - 10 m - 0°

 

75 mm cannon Rank 3, BR 5.7

80 mm cannon Rank 4, BR 6.3

 

APHE-T: armor piercing with high explosive filler, tracer

APHEBC-T: armor piercing ballistic capped with high explosive filler, tracer

HE-T: high explosive, tracer

APBC-T, armor piercing ballistic capped, without high explosive filler, tracer

 

These BRs and Ranks are just my thoughts.

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Looks good, but some things are incorrect.  ;)s

 

Hungary used the Tiger I E, not the H variant, also, we had Panther Ds, not Gs.

 

Other German vehicles Hungary used were the JgPz 38(t) Hetzer, PzKpfw III Ausf. M, PzKpfw IV Ausf. F1, PzKpfw IV Ausf. F2, PzKpfw IV Ausf. G, PzKpfw IV Ausf. H, and the StuG III Ausf. G. We also used the PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. G but because it's not in-game, I think that the Pz 38(t) Ausf. F could fit in. These German tanks could make some premium vehicles.

 

Also I think that if you put the Zrínyi II with spaced armor into the regular tech-tree, I think the same should be done to the spaced armored Turán I and Turán II variants too. Or try to convince the developers to add the spaced armor as a researchable defensive armor for the tanks.

 

Another premium vehicle could be the Commander Turán (Turán 40 commander variant), just like there is a commander variant for the Jagdpanther and for the Pz IV in the current German tech-tree.

 

Just recently I found another Hungarian vehicle that could be added to the TT. The Rába "Vr". It's a Rába V truck (licence built Praha V) which had a 8 cm Feldkanone M 05 on it, and was used as a SPAAG. A total of 22 Rába "Vr"s were made, so it could be added as a regular Tier I vehicle too.

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Oh, also some other things.

 

I miss the Toldi Tank destroyer from the TT. It should be a Tier II Premium vehicle, because only one was made. The 39.M Csaba armored car is also missing, which should be a Tier I vehicle too.

 

Also, the Marder II and the 4,7cm PaK(t) auf Panzerkampfwagen 35R(f) ohne Turm were used by the Hungarians too for a short period of time, I don't know if they will be in the game, but could be added to the TT too.

 

We also used French tanks. They were used by the Hungarian Occupation Forces. The Renault R35, the Hotchkiss H39, and the Souma S35. These could also be added as premiums.

 

I will look into some books for more info about Pz.IIIs given to Hungary. I know we had 1 Pz.III Ausf. L (aside from those few Ausf.Ms), but it was not used, only examined.

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Have to correct myself. The Renault R35 was not used in combat, only for training, so that should not be in the TT. But I found out that we used the Marder III Ausf. M. I think I'm going to put the vehicles into a list for it to be more perspicuous.

 

Hungarian vehicles

Csaba armored car 

Toldi I

Toldi I Buzogányvető

Toldi tank hunter

Toldi IIA

Toldi IIAK

Toldi III

Turán I (spaced armored version too)

Commander Turán I

Turán II (spaced armored version too)

Turán III

Tas

Zrínyi I

Zrínyi I Sorozatvető

Zrínyi II (spaced armored version too)

Nimród

Rába "Vr"

 

German vehicles used by Hungarians in combat

Pz.Kpfw. 38(t) Ausf. G

Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. M

Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F1

Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F2

Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. G

Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H

Pz.Kpfw. V "Panther" Ausf. D

Pz.Kpfw. VI "Tiger" Ausf. E

StuG III Ausf. G (used the version with the "Saukopfblende" too)

Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer

4,7cm PaK(t) auf Panzerkampfwagen 35R(f) ohne Turm

Marder II

Marder III Ausf. M

 

Other vehicles used by Hungarians in combat

Hotchkiss H35/39

Souma S35

T-34/75 mod. 1941/42

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thanks, this is better list. i used this for the visual tree http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/ww2-hungarian-tanks.asp but yours is better

the Rába V.R. was a WW1 truck cannon (as for some Italian Autocannone) as for the Italian versions i didn't putted inside the TT because a lil bit "old"...

as premium i think can be added some Swedish tank.

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you 2 rock thank you for working on all of this while regular fanboys (me included) are busy arguing on pointless sh*t about future tech trees. you working on it while staying as anonymous as possible gives you 2 a holyness. now that gaijin is deciding to put italians in GF "as a part of another nation" is the best momnet to unite hungarian and italian fanbase to save both italy and hungary in war thunder in future. my one of a kind salute to you both o7. (also why don't you share all of this? you are keeping the community in a deep sleep. would you mind if i breifly mention this faithful "alliance" in WT.live? if the answer is no it is totally cool i understand the situation)

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