crew qualification costs

[ArmoredHussar 58]

My first topic, Im playing WT for few weeks now and there is one thing that really starts to bother me which are costs of crew qualifications.

 

I get that its f2p, Im playing WoT for over 2 years(lately much much less cause of WT) but cost of qualifing crew to certain plane in for only one crew is really starting to destroy my silver budget. I understand you have to pay for it but when for example I cant afford right now to even train half of my crews to operate 4-5 different planes. I mean seriously making qualification can cost even MORE than buying the plane itself ??? 150000 silver for P63 Aircobra ? I would understand 50000 but paying even more than price of that plane seems really ridiculous.

 

So whats your opinion on this, am I just whining or there is something wrong with it ?:)

 

ps. My moderate knowledge of english language forced me to use word qualify wayyyy to many times, sorry for that

[_McLeod_ 324]

Well I am between levels 11-15 on all all nations and in my experience the cost to train a crew in expert qualification is always equal to or less than the cost of buying the plane (unless plane was bought on a special offer) - never more.

The benefits of the expert training in my opinion are well worth the cost.  

 

Do you mean the P63 Kingcobra or the P39 Airocobra ?  The P63 is up to 160,000 to make an expert but then the plane cost more.

Do you mean to make a plane an expert on all of your crews ? - if so this is optional, you are not being forced to make any crews expert - it is your choice as to how many and when you do it.

 

Example:

 

Level 14 Tempest MkV - The most expensive plane I have so far

 

Plane cost                440,000

Training cost            87,000

Expert Qualification  430,000

[Guest Nectaria]

As your crew never forgets what they have learned (unlike WoT) it is worth it in the long run...I agree it's a pretty heavy cost when you move up, but imo it's totally worth it.

[nomorechillies 950]

only train your crew on planes you really like imo

[Guest Nectaria]

How can you know you're going to like or dislike them if you don't use all the possibilities?

[ArmoredHussar 58]

The thing is there is a lot of planes in all nations except Japaneese, most of my crews are able to operate around 10 different planes so I can do a lot of switching while planes were damaged and my max level in all nations is 10 so there is still many planes to come. If I want to make qualification for those 10 planes just for ONE crew slot I would have to spend milions even if they are not that high level.

 

I was hoping for more opinions on that matter but apparently most people dont care or just dont think those costs are high. I will stay with my opinion that its plain stupid to make qual costs higher than plane itself.

[LexarMundi 13]

So far I have only done this with my heavy bombers because of this cost. I can see how it would be nice for fighter aircraft to have this, but I really cant be asked to pay the price on something I really don't need.

 

Maybe you should just start out with just doing it for your bomber crew to save some lions, or wait until you have really good tier 8 or tier 9 aircraft and only do it for the good aircraft.

[_Gyarados_ 224]

The only issue I have with the costs of anything in regards to crew is how quickly it scales up to a ridiculous degree when you're trying to earn the crew points. I understand why, it's just frustrating.

 

The costs for the qualifications, however, are fine by me.

[_McLeod_ 324]

The thing is there is a lot of planes in all nations except Japaneese, most of my crews are able to operate around 10 different planes so I can do a lot of switching while planes were damaged and my max level in all nations is 10 so there is still many planes to come. If I want to make qualification for those 10 planes just for ONE crew slot I would have to spend milions even if they are not that high level.

 

I was hoping for more opinions on that matter but apparently most people dont care or just dont think those costs are high. I will stay with my opinion that its plain stupid to make qual costs higher than plane itself.

 

I have some nations where I have trained nearly all my crews to fly most of the planes, excluding bombers with loads of turrets ofc lol (some of my Brit and Russian crews are expert trained on 15-20 planes), mainly because some planes are much better when it comes to earning crew points than others (especially in HB which is great for crew point earning).

 

With 6 crews in each nation this has cost me an absolute fortune - a lot of the planes being over 200k to expert them, but this was my choice, if I hadn't done this I would be sitting here with about 15 million lions in the bank but less experienced crews - a trade off I think personally to be well worth it.

[Tokran 23]

just to add another drastic example:

 

Do-217-N1

tier 7 german attacker

210.000 expert training cost

 

I do agree that you dont have to expert ALL your planes, but between buying new planes and equipping decent ammo i struggle to expert ANY.

And i end up in the top third of the results nearly every time. No idea what sub average players are supposed to do...

[_McLeod_ 324]

Yeah with the recent changes in plane pricing the qualification costs have gone up and the initial training has gone up too, for me it's going to be around 3.7 million to buy, train and expert my next Russian level 16 plane - and there are 2 of them lol so 7.4 million - ouch.

The economy is in a state of flux and will be changed again, this has been confirmed already, we will just have to wait and see what happens, personally I am seriously considering just not buying any planes at all until I see what changes next.

[Hirden 114]

i just got my spitfire mk IX(tier 10) and it cost me 620.000 LIONS! those numbers are insane. when playing i make like 20k lions profitt after repear and resupply. that means it would take over 30 games to get that kinad money. and ofc not every game is good. so you could easy round that up to 50 battles. that is huge amout of time to just to cover the crew costs.

[Bodystacks 215]

I made a suggestion that would somehow address this issue. You can find the link to the topic in my signature. 

[schmidtstorm 28]

American P39 LVL 6 Plane

expert qualification: 50.000 Lions

 

Russian Premium P39 LVL 6 Plane

 

expert qualification: 100.000 Lions

 

 

:dntknw:

[BritishCooking 3,044]

I used to get qualifications on almost every plane I flew, and I could swap my planes around from crew to crew no problem. Now, I really can't, not even with premium and multiple premium planes. It's pretty bad. Crew training costs are way out of hand right now. Maybe if they were halfed they'd be reasonable.

[Seddrik 20]

I am lvl 18 with 10 crews for each nation.  I am WISHING I knew about this aspect of qualifications before hand......  I started off training crews, then thinking "Hey, I want to move this plane to that crew and put the better planes here...."  and trained multiple crews on the same planes.  Result:  Very high prices.  Ok.  I am not against training costs in themselves... but on top of very large costs there are ALSO crew point requirements now after 4-5 planes which are even higher.  I am to the point where I cannot train new planes in some cases.... even as a premium player.  This does need to be addressed.  Love the game, but this system for qualifications has messed me over.

Edited December 11, 2014 by Seddrik

[Agent_Of_Change 2,231]

I'll tell you what I tell everyone about moving up the trees.

 

Don't rush.  Pick a line up at the BR you are at roughly, and fly those planes until they are all spaded.  Then but a new Plane find a slot fly it until it's spaded.

 

The longer it takes to spade planes them more money you build up to buy the next more expensive plane.

 

If you rush up the trees you end up at the top unskilled, broke, and without experted crews.

 

IF you take your time you will learn your planes inside and out, develop good technique, and rarely have money issues.

 

As a rule I never buy a plane until I can put it in a slot and expert it, and I expert every plane in every slot I put them in.  It is worth the SL's to up your planes but if cash is tight focus on the planes you enjoy/are effective with first.

Edited December 11, 2014 by Agent_Of_Change

[Speggn 2,526]

Holy mother of necro...

[Running_Back 250]

Agent_Of_Change gives reasonable advice.  Don't rush the game - you will need years to get all planes/tanks and spade them. Even with premium account. T-5 costs millions to buy and train. I always Expert my vehicle right after crew training - don't fly without this advantage. If you are not ready to afford it, you most like not skillful enough for this level of fight (compared to other players on this level). Economy is perfect in WT in general, imho - at least if you will not into account some specific repair costs. You never will have enough silver in this game.

[StasRaskolbas 8,397]

Holy mother of necro...

 

Holy mother of useless comments.

 

His point was sound.  

[sxpp 1,054]

Holy mother of useless comments.

His point was sound.

You know, when you think about this post, OP had probably become a really good pilot now.

[Svirsch 3]

October 2015... problem still exists.

[BewareThePhoenix 818]

October 2015... problem still exists.

Yeah this never got addressed. I wonder if it ever will. 

 

I see the costs of getting the proficiency stuff for vehicles but having to pay a crew to "learn how to fly" each plane is silly. If they made it to combat flight to begin with they know how to fly. It might call for a course in specifics of the vehicle but nothing as nearly costly as the vehicle itself.

[Badballie 1,219]

As we still at it, may I just say that in my experience that cost is a waste for anything other than planes you intend to fly on a regular basis......you really don't need it. I have not used it for most of my planes, and haven't missed it either.

[DerLachendeMann 504]

As we still at it, may I just say that in my experience that cost is a waste for anything other than planes you intend to fly on a regular basis......you really don't need it. I have not used it for most of my planes, and haven't missed it either.

 

High crew skills might just give you the edge you need to win, I got all my crews maxed and expert on top of it (usually I don't bother with ace, some cheap t1 planes got ace just for the heck of it)

 

I'm at a point I don't have any use for Silver Lions any more anyways, until British tank come, and I got quite enough for them already.