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So as I said, I'm working on a RCAF Canadair Sabre. And this time I'm doing an 8K skin. First one in 8K so we'll see how the jump to the large size goes. Here's the first livery I'd like to do...

 

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Wish you every success on the project! Unfortunately I haven't any jets but one Meteor unlocked to try out this girl, but I 'm sure she's gonna be just fine!Cheers,mate!

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Hey StafeMike! Thanks man!

 

Don't worry, by the time I finished this sucker, you'll have unlocked all the jets! 

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So yeah, I did have some problems with the jump to 8k. The larger file size was crashing Photoshop when I saved to DDS. Not fun. I did eventually solve it by upgrading to Photoshop CC. And probably more importantly, I now merge all the layers before saving to DDS.

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For all you budding skinners out there, a great skin starts with the research! I'm lucky, this Sabre happens to be in the National Aviation Museum here in Ottawa, Canada. I visited there and took many closeup photos for reference. I even visited the museum's library. What an awesome experience that was! They actually had Sabre manuals one could browse through. Very cool.

 

Here she is...

 

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First step I did was enlarge the template from 4 k to 8k. Then I removed the original template markings. To do that I use the clone tool. Skinners best tool!

 

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Next, I go in and remove the rivets and details. Then, I reproduce them from scratch using drawings, blueprints and photos as guides. At this point, I'm not concerned with putting effects on the rivets and other details, I'll do that later. First I'm just concerned with getting the rivets, screws and panel lines in the right place. I'll work them to a realistic look at a later stage. Note, I've also started to add the data and maintenance markings at this time. I left the aluminum mottling that came with the template for now. I think it looks good and would be a good base if I decide to do a bare metal version later. 

 

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I've added the following comparison to show how valuable good quality close-up photos can be. Again it's handy if you have an actual plane near by that you can take photos of yourself. Even though keep in mind they aren't always 100% accurate. I've noticed errors by even the best restorers. But hey, we're all human... Also, keep in mind that almost all planes in museums and airshows are considerably different then aircraft in regular service or war. But then everyone has their preference. Personally I like a well worn plane that doesn't look like it came out of a spray booth. But back to the photos, I'll often lay them down on the skin, give them some transparency and use the transform tool to skew and distort them until they line up to the template and then use them as a guide for rivets, screws, panels, etc...

 

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This next picture is to illustrate the often frustrating and tricky situation that occurs when the continuous surface of the skin is split or comprised of many parts. This is because the skin is flat but the plane is not. There you are, happily painting your skin, only to find that when you view it on the plane, it's all wrong. This happens more often then you'd think. In the case of the Sabre, the skin is split right where I had to apply an aircraft data stencil. To help with registration I made a layer and drafted in some guidelines based on other skins and through trial and error. Once I have them roughly in place, then it's all about applying the markings, saving it to DDS, viewing it on the plane, noting any issues and then correcting them on the skin. Back and forth and back and forth until you get it just right. And man is that a happy moment when you finally get it right!

 

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By the way, did I say how much I love aircraft data and maintenance stencils? Yes, that's right, those minuscule instructions for the ground crew and handlers. Sure, camos, markings and nose art are great, but... for me it's getting those little details right that really is the icing on the cake. And it's a real bugger getting info on those suckers. But, I guess that makes it all the more challenging, and who doesn't like a challenge?

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Ok, last post of the night. Here's where I'm at with this beauty. I started it a month ago and I'm probably only a quarter of the way done. Wish me luck...

 

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Gosh! Great work!

 

Can you pleaaase make the Ja-111 in metal camo for CL-13? I mean, there's one but not so detailed like yours! I'll be sooo glad if you do (I'm sure more people will be too).

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Another great skinner joins the club!

 

 

Insane job on the Sabre man!

 

 

Also, are you gonna make some slight rework on the sharkmouth Lancaster? I noticed that the underside is actually shinier than default

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Everything is just great, top notch, mate!!!  :good:

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Gosh! Great work!

 

Can you pleaaase make the Ja-111 in metal camo for CL-13? I mean, there's one but not so detailed like yours! I'll be sooo glad if you do (I'm sure more people will be too).

 

Thanks TheWarHawk!

 

Regarding the skin request.... Ja-111 is a beautiful livery alright. I'll keep it in mind, but realistically, I doubt I'll be able to do that skin. Reason one is that I like to specialize in RCAF aircraft. Reason two, there are a lot of other planes I already have on my to-do-list. Reason three, it takes me a loooong time for me to do a skin. Reason four, it would take me a lot of time to research, and even then I may never find the necessary information. I've got a lot of data on RCAF Sabres, but not Bundeswehr aircraft. Now, if you (or anyone else) can send me documentation on the German Sabre aircraft data and maintenance stencils, that would make it a possibility. Otherwise, I'll have to say, for now, no. Sorry buddy.

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Another great skinner joins the club!

 

 

Insane job on the Sabre man!

 

 

Also, are you gonna make some slight rework on the sharkmouth Lancaster? I noticed that the underside is actually shinier than default

 

Thanks very much BlazeWingbreaker. Coming from a fellow perfectionist, I'll take that as a compliment indeed! ;)

 

Is there a problem with my other Lancs too? That's frustrating. I noticed that there were changes to my Search and Rescue Lanc skin, as a result of the recent 1.43 upgrade. I did raised the issue with Gaijin to find out why this happened, but to be honest, I think it's probably the least of their worries. I'll have to go through all my Lanc skins and try to find out what the deal is. Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers!

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Everything is just great, top notch, mate!!!  good.gif

 

Thanks StrafeMike! Much respect to you mate! o7

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Thanks TheWarHawk!

 

Regarding the skin request.... Ja-111 is a beautiful livery alright. I'll keep it in mind, but realistically, I doubt I'll be able to do that skin. Reason one is that I like to specialize in RCAF aircraft. Reason two, there are a lot of other planes I already have on my to-do-list. Reason three, it takes me a loooong time for me to do a skin. Reason four, it would take me a lot of time to research, and even then I may never find the necessary information. I've got a lot of data on RCAF Sabres, but not Bundeswehr aircraft. Now, if you (or anyone else) can send me documentation on the German Sabre aircraft data and maintenance stencils, that would make it a possibility. Otherwise, I'll have to say, for now, no. Sorry buddy.

Well, yes, make first what you love xD but, if you need info about the plane you can call me. I can make a research about it and find all the info to you.

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Thanks very much BlazeWingbreaker. Coming from a fellow perfectionist, I'll take that as a compliment indeed! ;)

 

Is there a problem with my other Lancs too? That's frustrating. I noticed that there were changes to my Search and Rescue Lanc skin, as a result of the recent 1.43 upgrade. I did raised the issue with Gaijin to find out why this happened, but to be honest, I think it's probably the least of their worries. I'll have to go through all my Lanc skins and try to find out what the deal is. Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers!

i'll get a screenshot soon to show you the problem

 

The default skin is actually not shiny at all, and this has been the case since 1.41(installed the skin on 1.41)

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Well, yes, make first what you love xD but, if you need info about the plane you can call me. I can make a research about it and find all the info to you.

 

TheWarHawk if you really want to do research, then I'll take you up on the offer. If you can find the info required, then I'll make you a JA-111 skin! After my first RCAF Sabre skin that is... :)

 

The basic info like national markings, insignia and nose art is well documented and abundant on the internet. However, more difficult to find are the service and maintenance data stencils. That's the info I need in order to truly do justice to Erich Hartmann's Sabre.

 

I've attached some images below to help you in your quest (should you accept it...).

 

Image 1 (found on the internet) is a photo taken in the Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr Gatow in Germany. Surprisingly the data markings (circled in purple) are all in English and pretty much standard Canadair data stencils, for which I have plenty of information. I could do this version, except, it's different from the data stencils that JA-111 sported.

 

Image 2  (found on the internet) is a photo of another Sabre of the West German Air Force (instuctional airframe) in Fassberg, Germany. If you look closely you'll see that the data stencils are different. I believe they are in English and German. They're the same kind of stencils which would have appeared on JA-111. You can see the problem with images from the internet. they are just not close enough or high enough resolution to read the small aircraft text. This is a large image but still the data markings are illegible.

 

Image 3  (found on the internet) is a decal sheet for a plastic model. This is the livery of  Erich Hartmann's Sabre. This is a large image but still the data markings are illegible. If one had the actual set of decals this would be a good source for the data stencils. Also, the model instructions would indicate where they are positioned. Generally, these are pretty accurate and hence a good source.

 

Image 4 (taken by me at an aviation museum library) is the holy grail. A photo of an actual Canadair Sabre manual showing placement and text for service and maintenance data stencils. This, however, is for RCAF aircraft. Now, if you had an equivalent for the German Sabre, then we'd be off to the races...

 

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i'll get a screenshot soon to show you the problem

 

The default skin is actually not shiny at all, and this has been the case since 1.41(installed the skin on 1.41)

 

Thanks BlazeWingbreaker, a screenshot would be helpful. In the meantime, I guess i better revisit all my Lanc skins. Oh joy...

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i'll get a screenshot soon to show you the problem

 

The default skin is actually not shiny at all, and this has been the case since 1.41(installed the skin on 1.41)

 

Hey BlazeWingbreaker, I just checked over my Lanc skins and funny enough I found the same problem with the War Thunder Mk3 template. One of the tires is high gloss while the other is not. See pic...

 

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Hey BlazeWingbreaker, I just checked over my Lanc skins and funny enough I found the same problem with the War Thunder Mk3 template. One of the tires is high gloss while the other is not. See pic...

 

 

Well,I can't find any reason these guys play with us in such a way! Why did they have to change glossiness  and color brightness at hangar I simply don't know!

If there's no standard across the field, how on earth can we get results?

Anyway, I won't do anything on my planes, as I saw that in game things get better. For the time being!

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Well,

 

Except those photos that you posted above, I haven't found anything which could highlight you with more details. The maintenance data, etc, I haven't found anything at internet. markings, as the british one (in english I mean):

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000277988L.html

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o163/deMichu/Sabre_1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Airforce_Museum_Berlin-Gatow_43.JPG

and, with some research about the Sabres sent to Luftwaffe (Ja-111 at JG 71, and more, like Jb-XXX, etc.) The construction number was 1625. Although they had different decals (for example the Richthofen decal, which is a particular symbol of JG 71), but not factory markins (like warnins, etc).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Habu12/Models/F-86%20Sabre%20Mk6%20CL-13B%20Luftwaffe/IMG_3258.jpg

http://magazine.flyart.biz/aviation/artistic/jet-age/03c.jpg

As you can see it's very weathered (but I'm sure when it was new, it had all markings, in english ofc).

http://www.airfighters.com/photo/138367/M/Germany-Air-Force/Canadair-CL-13B-Sabre-6/JA-111/

By 1992 it was restored, and was looking like this:

http://www.airfighters.com/photo/37916/M/Germany-Air-Force/Canadair-CL-13B-Sabre-6/JA-111/

(see, they removed all markins even because it was just a monument restoration).

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6261418&nseq=1

as you can see on this photo (another "restored") they removed all markings too:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8338/8237799907_231f233eed.jpg

The weird that I found a ''84 photo without markings too (the last Sabre for Luftwaffe flew at ''83):

http://www.ww.aerialvisuals.ca/Airframe/Gallery/0/14/0000014952.jpg

The image below is small but you can see there are markings:

http://modelingmadness.com/scott/decals/airdoc/adm48019b.jpg

and:

http://picturestack.com/521/85/fC1CL13BSabrejk7.jpg

This one I think it's a Mk.5, because the "D" (all Mk.6 were "J").

http://magazine.flyart.biz/aviation/artistic/cold-war-veterans/04c.jpg

annnnd this photo (if you download it you'll see "Beware of intake" - english marking=probably all the whole aircraft was in english, since they haven't used too much it (I did a little research about JG 72 and JG 73 and found at least 1 accident due to engine failure at each squad):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/57931616@N03/7345694474/in/photostream/

^download at original size to see the marking.

and his parent (Ja-112):

http://www.dhc-2.com/JA+112_Sabre_Luftwaffe_KM.jpg

another Mk.5...:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Canadair_Sabre_in_Luftwaffe_markings.jpg

 

Sorry, all I have is that. I found a image (like yours there) with all decals, but you must buy it (to people that work with scale models). I hope you can do something with this because that's all I found. If you do, please make the metal version, it looks better and it's historical (could be Ja-112 instead of Ja-111).

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