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So I am thinking of moving up to the King Cobra's. I have to get the Thunderbolt first, from what I have read, its basically broken, is that pretty much the case, and at this point, its maybe a waste of 120k for the plane, and how ever much to put it in service?

 

For what its worth, I like the baby Cobra's, struggling with the Hellcat and Wildcat at tier 6/7. Kittyhawk is ok for me there.

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hellcat / wildcat, dont bother using them, the P-47 is good if you can make it work, its not really broken imo, P-63s are great

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The P-47's are good for ground attacks and to kill some airplanes, but avoid having an enemy on your tail, you'll be killed very easily, their tail is very fragile

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P-47 is broken, but not hopelessly so. Part of the reason is that the AM FM simplicity blocks it playing it's high altitude strenghths, part is that US-fighter glass tail syndrome, and part is that one wuld expect more from such a legendary plane. But all over it's one of the better US fighters. It's also a capable enough fighter-bomber, once you unlocked those. Also once unlocked, the 10 rockets really can rock. But to each his own. I like my P-47 for it's versatility, and keep enjoying flying it.

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I love my P47s, I was really worried since they get a terrible name in the forums when I was buying them. They require very careful play but are excellent at making things dead.

 

Things you can't do in a P47

1) Climb. Unfortunately, a Slinky will go up stairs about as fast as a P47 climbs.

2) Dive quickly. Unfortunately the P47 accelerates slowly in a dive, it does have a good top speed though.

3) Take hits, its a US fighter, you get shot in the tail and you die, nothing new here.

4) Turn. It does turn better than a heavy bomber.. not by much.. but it does.

 

Things you can do well in a P47

1) Kill fighters

2) Kill bombers

3) Kill ground

 

This thing puts out more reliable firepower than anything else (non premium) until the corsair C in the USA lineup. Yes I know the cobra's 37MM cannon is brutal when it works, but it is far from reliable given the cannon's cone of fire and wonky hit registration(hitting the same fighter 5 times and having 0 damage be dealt). It is also the first plane to be able to use the API-T tracer rack, unlike earlier tracer racks which are something like T/T/T/T/T/I-T, it fires nothing but API-T rounds which 1) Make it very clear exactly where you are aiming, letting you correct as you shoot 2) Deal substantial damage while doing it. Some will also freak out when they see 8x full tracer rounds being fired at them and they pull some silly maneuvers.

 

The combination of that and it having 8 machine guns vs the 4-6 of most planes below it mean it is great for killing fighters quickly, decent for killing pilots, and its high ammo count lets you kill bomber engines easily.

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I love my P47s, I was really worried since they get a terrible name in the forums when I was buying them. They require very careful play but are excellent at making things dead.

 

Things you can't do in a P47

1) Climb. Unfortunately, a Slinky will go up stairs about as fast as a P47 climbs.

2) Dive quickly. Unfortunately the P47 accelerates slowly in a dive, it does have a good top speed though.

3) Take hits, its a US fighter, you get shot in the tail and you die, nothing new here.

4) Turn. It does turn better than a heavy bomber.. not by much.. but it does.

 

Things you can do well in a P47

1) Kill fighters

2) Kill bombers

3) Kill ground

 

This thing puts out more reliable firepower than anything else (non premium) until the corsair C in the USA lineup. Yes I know the cobra's 37MM cannon is brutal when it works, but it is far from reliable given the cannon's cone of fire and wonky hit registration(hitting the same fighter 5 times and having 0 damage be dealt). It is also the first plane to be able to use the API-T tracer rack, unlike earlier tracer racks which are something like T/T/T/T/T/I-T, it fires nothing but API-T rounds which 1) Make it very clear exactly where you are aiming, letting you correct as you shoot 2) Deal substantial damage while doing it. Some will also freak out when they see 8x full tracer rounds being fired at them and they pull some silly maneuvers.

 

The combination of that and it having 8 machine guns vs the 4-6 of most planes below it mean it is great for killing fighters quickly, decent for killing pilots, and its high ammo count lets you kill bomber engines easily.

 

 

Just some notes here.  The P-47 climbs very quickly even for arcade standards.  It's one of the better climbers in its tier, it just happens to be put against some very good interceptors while the 47 was an escort fighter, not an interceptor.  Ignore the bomb loadouts and it will still keep pace with P-47s.

 

The P-47 can dive quickly, it just gets out-dove by everything else anyways for some reason.  I believe this to be in part due to poor friction settings in the game and some planes, such as the 109s, getting more of a boost than the P-47 from the arcade boosted FM, even if they're boosted the same way.

 

Also, the P-47 can turn very well.  At speed.  The problem is you have maybe 3 seconds of snap turn potential before you have to choose to commit, kill your target, or break off entirely.  It's not very forgiving on burst windows, but with 8 guns, it certainly can get the job done.

 

As an extra side note just for fun, the P-51 mustang, which was significantly more maneuverable than the P-47, can only just out-turn a P-47 at pretty much every speed in arcade.  It's pretty pathetic for having 4 tiers on the 47 but only barely outperforming it.

 

 

And, finally, the fun part about API-T rounds is it makes your plane feel like it has flamethrowers attached to it.

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Just some notes here.  The P-47 climbs very quickly even for arcade standards.  It's one of the better climbers in its tier, it just happens to be put against some very good interceptors while the 47 was an escort fighter, not an interceptor.  Ignore the bomb loadouts and it will still keep pace with P-47s.

The P47 was designed as a bomber interceptor... 

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The first couple of days I flew my P-47's I absolutely hated them, but then they started to grow on me.

 

They're still not great planes but they are fun to fly, more so if you don't load out their bombs and rockets, they really sap your performance if they're equipped.

 

They climb really well, I usually start an AB match by climbing to 4k to attack the enemy bombers then move on to fighters from there, always try to have an altitude advantage with them and try to avoid turnfights.

 

The 8 .50cals are awesome fun with stealth ammo they just buzzsaw through enemy planes, really fun. I find it much more satisfying dropping bombers with those .50's than I do with the 37mm cobra derp cannon.

 

Also the 47 is one of the prettiest planes in the game.

 

Just give them a chance after your initial "WTF is this crap" reaction that most people have, you just might grow to love them too.  :Ds

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hellcat / wildcat, dont bother using them, the P-47 is good if you can make it work, its not really broken imo, P-63s are great

the hellcat pretty much is the same is the P47, just a lighter, less powerful version. It doesn't climb as well, but it turns better, and has 2 less guns. Also it works well in a ground attack role with its 1000 lbs bombs and rockets.

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@ Reaper_

 

LOL.. that sig Pic.. I swear that Graphic on the Right wing makes the wing look like its some over grown appendage, completely disproportionate to the left wing..    

 

( Yes People.. I know its an illusion due to angle and depth)

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So I am thinking of moving up to the King Cobra's. I have to get the Thunderbolt first, from what I have read, its basically broken, is that pretty much the case, and at this point, its maybe a waste of 120k for the plane, and how ever much to put it in service?

 

For what its worth, I like the baby Cobra's, struggling with the Hellcat and Wildcat at tier 6/7. Kittyhawk is ok for me there.

Sound to me you more put value on turning, Kittyhawk and 'Baby Cobra' handle quite okayish in turns. I am not gonna enter the 'Us planes broken' talk but right now it serious would pay off for you if you try to focus on BnZ in hellcat and P-47. Special the P-47 got a clear advantage of 8x12,7mm to fast put down planes if you get a good aim in a burst and hit. Either Zoom climb or worse case pick up as much speed as you can make a dash for base or friendly planes. The same tier Corsair is even better at this speed hit and run tactic i feel even it do not get omg 8x12,7mm

I am not one of the real good players but i manage 8 kills in P-47 personaly and generally i can get about the same kills as in other nations so it entirely possible to do good in US planes. Keep practice and try to adapt to how the plane handle is my advice.

Good luck out there :salute:

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The P47 was designed as a bomber interceptor... 

 

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p47_1.html

 

On August 1, 1939, Kartveli, in response to an official requirement, proposed a lightweight high-altitude interceptor to the USAAC under the company designation of AP-10.

 

In order to accommodate the heavy firepower, armor, and self-sealing fuel tanks and still provide a performance capable of meeting enemy aircraft on equal terms, a lot of engine horsepower would be needed.

 

 

The P-47 was designed as an interceptor, but it was designed to beat not just bombers, but enemy fighters too.

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@ Reaper_

 

LOL.. that sig Pic.. I swear that Graphic on the Right wing makes the wing look like its some over grown appendage, completely disproportionate to the left wing..    

 

( Yes People.. I know its an illusion due to angle and depth)

 

It's not an illusion, my plane was born with a small left wing, he's the Nemo of planes.

 

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Please don't mention it to him he's very sensitive about it.

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Well, flew it, it was fun enough. Didn't put quite smile on my face the King Cobra did, but it may grow on me. Besides if I have 4 Cobras, I need something with some bombs, cuz sometimes you just want to bomb something. Smile

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Reaper has pretty much summed up how I use my P-47D-28, here is a gameplay I recorded about a month ago using the Thunderbolt for reference:

 

[media='315x420']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7qVlho6WOE[/media]

 

On a side note, I love the F6F-3 Hellcat. It is probably my favourite plane up to rank 11 (then it becomes the Fw 190 A-5) because it works so well as long as you keep your speed above 250km/h.

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I think the 47 is ok, big problem i see is that most people are at a low altitude and trying to turn fight with it so they are always getting dived on or wrecked on turn fights, i try to intercept bomber and BnZ in lonly targets and things worked pretty well  :yes:

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Past few days I've been playing my P47 and it's a lot of fun. I enjoy it most when I use it for ground attack and I get plenty of 20+ ground unit kill games. Only problem is that reward for ground unit kills are low.

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They aren't OVERLY bad in my opinion. They're not great, but not terrible either. Plus you can get rockets on them. My US lineup is 2x p47, 2x kingcobra, 1x b25, and I always have fun flying them.

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4) Turn. It does turn better than a heavy bomber.. not by much.. but it does.

 

I also love p47's and i strongly agree  to ^^^ statement, once you have someone on your tail you are sure to be dead... try to dive to escape? maybe, try to outclimb your enemy? its a NO! your a heavy plane even with WEP they can still catch you unless you try to climb at the side of the map and try to gain altitude advantage first.

 

Purely BNZ vs fighters dont turn, and excellent ground attacker because of its rockets and bombs... 

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Well yes it's not the most agile plane out there, and you can't just derp into any situation and get out unscathed. But if you apply some forethought, and bnz on a target away from the cesspool, you'll be ok.

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Well yes it's not the most agile plane out there, and you can't just derp into any situation and get out unscathed. But if you apply some forethought, and bnz on a target away from the cesspool, you'll be ok.

 

It's agile enough with a strong enough gun to definitely boom and stick targets, having crippled their maneuver in the first pass, but a turn fighter it is not.

 

I don't feel it's completely outclassed in the tier, just that a couple planes are stupidly overpowered at the moment (BF 109/Yak 9t) for the tier to really say that it's underpowered for its tier.  It certainly is, but only by comparison to those when strictly dealing with the FM.

 

When it comes to DMs, though, the P-47 seriously needs a boost, but that's the only thing really holding the P-47 back.

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I've only flown the premium Thunderbolt, so I can't speak to its ground attack merits, though... given the stability and durability of the plane, I would say it should be pretty good with rockets and bombs.

Against air targets it's an entirely dud plane in AB.

The 8X M2 Brownings are just not going to cut it for a dedicated BnZ.  The firepower is just not enough to bring down planes in one pass, which is really all you will get in the jug.

Against bombers it's hilariously bad.  The M2 doesn't seem to do jack, and the engine is crazy prone to getting taken out by tail gunners.

I also find myself catching fire more often, though honestly I didn't fly it enough to be sure.  I've since gone back to replacing that slot with the E-3, which at 2 ranks lower is still a much better plane for aerial combat.
 

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The P-47 is good for nothing. It's a suicide bomber at best. Might get couple of ground targets out but you get killed as soon as you try to climb away. Horribly slow and fragile piece of sh*t. In reality this machine was a rather competent high altitude fighter and as robust as they come.

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