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US planes suck. Really!

Nothing changed.

 

 

I was in my brand new and shiny Supercobra. I've placed 3x 37mm rounds on BF109F4... and he fly away. 

 

Meanwhile... another BF109 attacked me with just MGs and few hits got my plane wrecked. SO NICE TO KNOW THAT NOTHING CHANGED ^^

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A plane is only as good as the pilot.

The D13 could WEP to 22m/s..... with 35 minutes of total WEP time and 10min bursts of WEP with 5 minutes cooldown in between (dont trust me, ask RAMJB).

A D9 or a D13 should definitely outaccelerate and outclimb a P51. The P-51 has a better level speed, so it should keep energy.

 

Seriously, I find this community stuck on planes that cant claw energy back quick. Yes, there are planes that cant, and to succeed in those, you need to keep energy.

 

Discipline is key.

 

Btw, corsairs are High Tier Planes, so is the P51 D. 1944 planes that are undertiered. So, no, it is not the tiering that is sucky. It is the pilot.

The p51H is post ww2, so is the Corsair F4U-4 afaik (maybe, could be wrong about the F4U-4)

 So tell me than, what do you do when 2-4 planes are above you and are all diving on you.

 

Also, what do you do if it's just 1 or 2? How do you climb up to their level?

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 So tell me than, what do you do when 2-4 planes are above you and are all diving on you.

 

Also, what do you do if it's just 1 or 2? How do you climb up to their level?

It isn't hard to avoid getting killed by someone diving on you. Just turn into them before they're in gun range and they overshoot.

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It isn't hard to avoid getting killed by someone diving on you. Just turn into them before they're in gun range and they overshoot.

So i just keep letting them dive and overshoot on me? By then their friends will come and help them.

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So i just keep letting them dive and overshoot on me? By then their friends will come and help them.

Surely you aren't expecting to win a 4v1 situation, right?

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Surely you aren't expecting to win a 4v1 situation, right?

 Yeah, but how would you escape?

 But please answer my question about 1V1/1V2 if they have altitude.

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A plane is only as good as the pilot.

The D13 could WEP to 22m/s..... with 35 minutes of total WEP time and 10min bursts of WEP with 5 minutes cooldown in between (dont trust me, ask RAMJB).

A D9 or a D13 should definitely outaccelerate and outclimb a P51. The P-51 has a better level speed, so it should keep energy.

 

Seriously, I find this community stuck on planes that cant claw energy back quick. Yes, there are planes that cant, and to succeed in those, you need to keep energy.

 

Discipline is key.

 

Btw, corsairs are High Tier Planes, so is the P51 D. 1944 planes that are undertiered. So, no, it is not the tiering that is sucky. It is the pilot.

The p51H is post ww2, so is the Corsair F4U-4 afaik (maybe, could be wrong about the F4U-4)

This is not true, they only had enough MW50 + the GM1 for a whole 10mins of wep.

 

Why? Because the Ta-152 has this and it has 10mins of wep, the Ta-152 has the same engine as the D-13.

 

When both systems were on the Ta-152 could wep and out run P-51 at 10km.

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As RAMJB Explained tons of times. Ten minutes of continuous usage, five cooldown after each ten minute burst, and enough MW50 on the D9 for 35 minutes.

 

Ask him, he is far more knowledgeable on the subject. (He has tons of primary sources and secondary sources to reference, too!)

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The P-51D realistically did not need to have an exceptionally good climb rate. It's probably pretty fair, but when you have time to cross the English channel... that's more than enough time for any prop plane to get up to top altitude. It only needed to climb as fast as the B-17's it escorted.

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 Yeah, but how would you escape?

 But please answer my question about 1V1/1V2 if they have altitude.

Accelerate a bit in a dive, turn hard, see La-7 break his wings off

...

profit

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As RAMJB Explained tons of times. Ten minutes of continuous usage, five cooldown after each ten minute burst, and enough MW50 on the D9 for 35 minutes.

 

Ask him, he is far more knowledgeable on the subject. (He has tons of primary sources and secondary sources to reference, too!)

Manuals all say it has 10mins of continuous use, and then the MW50 has run out. Guess the real documents i read are wrong...

 

Same with the K-4 to again 10mins of MW50 and wep is to not be used without MW50.

 

But if he will kindly post those documents ill read them.

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Manuals all say it has 10mins of continuous use, and then the MW50 has run out. Guess the real documents i read are wrong...

 

yes you've read wrong. The Fw190DD12/13 series had a rear mounted MW50 tank able to hold 140 liters of the mixture. That was enough for more than more than four full cycles of MW50 injection. Operation of the system (as recomended by the manuals) was in bursts of 10 minutes maximum, with 5 minutes minimum of cooldown, after which the system could be enabled again without risk.

 

Estimated MW50 consumption at Sondernotleistung for the FW190D9 was 150l/h. Make your own maths about how much time the system could be engaged without running out of mixture.

 

 

The quoted part naming me is wrong btw, I was mentioning data by memory. The Fw190D9 had 115liters of MW50 only. That was the one that only had it for three cycles and a half.

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Accelerate a bit in a dive, turn hard, see La-7 break his wings off

...

profit

I know that, but what about d-13s?

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RAMJB The Bad Kitty is here, have no fear.

Your ball, iron.

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Murica is the worst nation? You just got a few new planes....and pretty good FMs now

 

GO play brits, we have very few fighters compared to other nations!

 

GO play japanese they have the same issues.

I think Japan is the worst nation right now, due to DM problems with Spitfires eating up cannon after cannon round and the fact that it seems that every gun except the US 50 cal, the Japanese 20mm, and the Japanese 12.7mm are realistically modeled.

 

America was NEVER the worst nation, in an absolute perspective. It may have seemed that way because it went against the overpowered Germans and D-13s last patch and is going up against UFO La-5's (read : NEW D-13s) this patch, but it is NOT the worst nation.

 

Russia was the worst nation last patch, from an absolute perspective. Except for the 37mm on the 9T, every gun was underpowered (because every gun was a ShVak). But people didn't see this because RU went up against the weak US FM's, so it's weak vs weaker nation, and the problem wasn't as big.

 

From a relative perspective, taking into account only the enemies the nation faces in HB, America was the weakest nation in 1.29, and Japan the weakest nation in 1.31.

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Really annoying that US still is the absolute underdog (well ... side by side with the poor Japs, fighting soviets only). I don't really get why even Germany got updated, not to speak of the Soviet buff - and USAAF still kinda ... well. Sucks. You can't really describe it another way.

P-51 still awful ... everyone flying F4U-C now cause it's almost the only realiable plane... .

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Just add the F-14 tomcat and everything will be balanced.

Let's be honest guys, we all know that the F-14 served in the pacific war and shot down two zeros.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uam4i6OksEY

Historical accuracy at it's best

F-14 coming to the American tree 1.42

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I played 5 matches of HB in my beloved bf109 F-4 today, using the same tactics I've always used (Which worked fine pre-patch)  and I quickly realised how useless it is now.

 

Can't run away from anything, in a straight line , climb or a dive. I was a sitting duck every time I tried.

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Wait ... DM problems? Planes eating up cannon rounds? lmao.

Seriously ... I think the 20mm are way too strong. I play them with stealth ammo ... the German cannons rip any plane apart with 2-3 hits. Esp. Spitfires and Typhoons.

My B-17 got completly ripped apart by _ONE_ 37mm hit of a Yak 9T.

 

And then again you have the glorious .50 cal ... which seems to be so f... weak that you can also just simply spit at the enemy. Same effect. There is a reason why cannon planes are so much overpowered at the moment. It doesn't really matter how good it can turn. All that matters seems to be climbing power and huge weapons. But you don't have any disadvantage taking these planes. Besides the high rep costs of F4U-C ... which again is US. ;)

 

P.S. I am not a US fanboy, nor p-51 lover. I tend to fly Germans ... . Yet I can't believe why Gajin didn't solve the D-13 problem ... instead it created just another pest, buffed cannon planes even more.

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I played 5 matches of HB in my beloved bf109 F-4 today, using the same tactics I've always used (Which worked fine pre-patch)  and I quickly realised how useless it is now.
 
Can't run away from anything, in a straight line , climb or a dive. I was a sitting duck every time I tried.


They fixed the F4 to its historic performance, and now the G2 I believe is the plane the F4 use to be.

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I know that, but what about d-13s?

Work with Split S and yo-yos

if he wants a headon dive under him and use that speed to climb to behind him

most Doras will try to turn with you and thats where you have them

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I played 5 matches of HB in my beloved bf109 F-4 today, using the same tactics I've always used (Which worked fine pre-patch)  and I quickly realised how useless it is now.

 

Can't run away from anything, in a straight line , climb or a dive. I was a sitting duck every time I tried.

 

 

The G2 is what the F4 used to be imho... it is also a more dramatic line in the sand for starting your energy fighting instead of turn fighting than the f4 was.  if it makes u feel any better the G10 is now on par with the K4 exept for the 40 kph or so speed difference in level flight...  theres very little u cant handle in the G2 if flown properly... if u turn in the G2 horizontally it will not end well even though it can do so...

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Wait ... DM problems? Planes eating up cannon rounds? lmao.

Seriously ... I think the 20mm are way too strong. I play them with stealth ammo ... the German cannons rip any plane apart with 2-3 hits. Esp. Spitfires and Typhoons.

My B-17 got completly ripped apart by _ONE_ 37mm hit of a Yak 9T.

 

And then again you have the glorious .50 cal ... which seems to be so f... weak that you can also just simply spit at the enemy. Same effect. There is a reason why cannon planes are so much overpowered at the moment. It doesn't really matter how good it can turn. All that matters seems to be climbing power and huge weapons. But you don't have any disadvantage taking these planes. Besides the high rep costs of F4U-C ... which again is US. ;)

 

P.S. I am not a US fanboy, nor p-51 lover. I tend to fly Germans ... . Yet I can't believe why Gajin didn't solve the D-13 problem ... instead it created just another pest, buffed cannon planes even more.

Wowp german cannon op fest made me quit that game. Then months later I've seen that WT went open beta as I couldn't get CB key, so here I am.

But seems same thing happens .50 cals are just so underperforming, though sometimes they just make everything burst in flames instantly, that I don't know if they are up or op or just herpa derpa lottery all the time.

Planes set on fire either die in next 5-10 seconds or return to base and fix like nothing happened.

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Wait ... DM problems? Planes eating up cannon rounds? lmao.

Seriously ... I think the 20mm are way too strong. I play them with stealth ammo ... the German cannons rip any plane apart with 2-3 hits. Esp. Spitfires and Typhoons.

My B-17 got completly ripped apart by _ONE_ 37mm hit of a Yak 9T.

 

And then again you have the glorious .50 cal ... which seems to be so f... weak that you can also just simply spit at the enemy. Same effect. There is a reason why cannon planes are so much overpowered at the moment. It doesn't really matter how good it can turn. All that matters seems to be climbing power and huge weapons. But you don't have any disadvantage taking these planes. Besides the high rep costs of F4U-C ... which again is US. ;)

 

P.S. I am not a US fanboy, nor p-51 lover. I tend to fly Germans ... . Yet I can't believe why Gajin didn't solve the D-13 problem ... instead it created just another pest, buffed cannon planes even more.

In case you didn't know, it only took 1-2 maybe sometimes 4 at most; 20mm shells to down a fighter in reality. 25 on average for a B17. 37mm SHOULD instagib anything it touches.

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In case you didn't know, it only took 1-2 maybe sometimes 4 at most; 20mm shells to down a fighter in reality. 25 on average for a B17. 37mm SHOULD instagib anything it touches.

 

This.

 

There is one historical anecdote about a P-47 surviving with a bit over twenty 20mm shells. It fell for a few thousand feet and caught fire, but managed to stabilize his plane, and was subsequently attacked by a German which had only 7,62mm ammo on him. This was such an outlier even for the toughest single engine fighter of the war that the fighter pilot (after emptying the 7,62mm ammo he had, bear in mind the 7,62mm was not a really useful air to air combat gun at this point) flew line abreast with him for half a hour inspecting damage in utter disbelief, before saluting him away near the channel and returning home. It was THAT much of an outlier.

 

Twenty 20mm shells is two seconds of fire of a single MG151/20, and it was an amazing and extraordinary feat to survive it with the toughest built WW2 single engine fighter. Reportedly most went down between 2-5 hits. What you see as hits - consider that one in four to five rounds is a tracer, and that the average 20mm cannon of the time period has a rate of fire of about 8-10 rounds per second.

 

I've read accounts of pilots returning home with 3 fired MG151/20 shells (a Finnish pilot) and a kill, or a Soviet P-39 pilot returning with one 37mm fired and a kill.

 

In the words of a Soviet Ace, from memory:

"Planes landed with rifle bullet holes often, heavy machinegun holes not so common and cannon holes rarely"

 

These people used to take off excess HMGs from an eg. P-40 because 4x0.50 was enough for them (firing at very close range) and it was more worth it in their eyes to save weight.

 

By the way, watched some Tempest gun cameras a bit earlier, counting separate hits. Preety much confirms we have the proper DM.

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