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#1 TT33a

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:09 AM

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I recently submitted a bug report dealing with the Junkers Ju 87 D-5's non-functioning dive brakes in this game. As this is an obvious bug, I expected a response stating that this problem will be corrected in a future patch. Instead, the response from a Gaijin representative was that the D-5 'never had airbrakes' and that the 'discussion was over':













This response from Gaijin seemed to be an uninformed decree or personal opinion that the aircraft in question will never be equipped with dive brakes in the game as a measure of balance or nerfage instead of impartially basing this aircraft's in-game attributes off of its historical counterpart, documents, or aircraft manual. In other words, it seems that Gaijin "feels" like the Ju 87 D-5 should not receive dive brakes or the ability to dive bomb despite all of the historical evidence to the contrary:






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This inspired me to gather some evidence and post it here in an attempt to undo this inexplicable nerfage and restore the functionality of the dive brakes on the Ju 87 D-5 that we have in the game.






1.) The Ju 87 D-5 was the first variant of the Stuka that equipped the 20 mm MG 151/20 forward firing cannon. A key identifying feature are the 20 mm barrels protruding from the leading edges of the wings. This is a very good identifier of a model D-5 or higher variant as all preceding models of the Stuka used the MG 17 machine gun:



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2.) The dive brakes are easily spotted on Ju 87s. They were attached under the wings just aft of the leading edges and outboard of the main undercarriage fairings, these taking the form of slats turning through 90° in a dive:



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3.) Looking through books / documents for pictures of aircraft with both protruding 20 mm cannon in addition to having dive brake slats resulted in finding these pictures:



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#2 TT33a

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:09 AM

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#3 TT33a

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#4 TT33a

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:11 AM

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4.) The best piece of evidence comes from the actual aircraft manual itself. These excerpts from pages 7, 24, & 25 are taken from the L.Dv.T.2087 D-5/Bo manual for the Ju 87 D-5. The first excerpt underlined in red states that the aircraft model Ju 87 D-5 is a heavy dive bomber. The second excerpt is a checklist for diving. Step #12 underlined in red, states to extend the dive brakes. The third excerpt states to avoid long dives without extending dive brakes:



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#5 TheFors

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:11 AM

Very good stuff. Let´s hope we´ll see the airbrakes working soon again.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:15 AM

Glorious Stuka shall return. Long live D-5.


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#7 Helezhelm

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:15 AM

Good job, seems that Emperor didn't research on Ju-87D-5 properly which he should have at first place since Ju-87D-5 in fact did have air brakes. 

Your best bet is to contact senior technical moderator, best one to contact is Smin1080p, he can help you out fairly quickly. Link it to here and he should do something with it, 

 

EDIT: Oop, looks like he's offline so just pm him in case. 


Edited by Helezhelm, 07 August 2014 - 09:17 AM.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:20 AM

Good job


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#9 sans_pants

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:21 AM

Axis had something good, so they took it away in the guise of 'historical accuracy' that was infact, incorrect.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:22 AM

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:24 AM

Stuka D-5 is love,Stuka D-5 is life,may the jet killer return wth it's full strenght!


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:25 AM

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5.) And don't forget to correct / add to the Ju 87 D-5 bomb loadouts as well:



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6.) Related threads:

http://forum.warthun...ent-performance
http://forum.warthun...-other-loadouts





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Edited by TT33a, 07 August 2014 - 09:36 AM.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:27 AM

well done sir


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:28 AM

These German "balances" are pathetic - Tiger headlights, no dive brake on Stuka, useless 30mm shells, and so on.

 

Let's put an end on this and let's start with returning the airbrakes to Stuka D-5!


Edited by Feher_Keresztes, 07 August 2014 - 09:29 AM.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:29 AM

TT33a, could you compress those pictures in spoilers? Loading all images at once killed my internet for few seconds. 

 

use this: [spoiler] [./spoiler] (without dot)


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:30 AM

You did very great job at this TT33a. You deserve tons of rep  :salute:


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 10:30 AM

The OP has decided to show photo graphs of a version with dive brakes, there were versions that were also available that were built without Dive brakes as shown in these photographs.

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#18 Dell_BlackCatZ

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 09:09 PM

It's back!

 

 

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 09:11 PM

Unlocked again!

Hope the mighty stuka gets it's airbrakes back once!


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Posted 22 August 2014 - 09:12 PM

Praise evidence!
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