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#1 Juliet_Six

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 05:46 PM

Currently the Simulator Battles Community is rather unhappy with the state of bombers as you may know, for several reasons:

  • Artificially rugged damage models
  • Very resilient crew on some bombers
  • Extremely accurate defensive armament over long ranges
  • To high tracking-speed of AI-gunners
  • "Hive-mind", basically gunner know where an enemy will appear in their field of fire without seing him
  • Generally alot easier to aim with then aircraft/joystick
  • No cockpits = a lot better view than any fighter while fighters should have better field of view
  • Third person view allowing for even easier spotting
  • "Auto-Pilot" in Third person can fly aircraft with damage, without the pilot having to correct

As a result, it is very easy to farm RP and SL with a Bomber in SB by killing enemy aircraft. Therefor you often see Arcade/Realistic Battles players coming to SB events just to shoot down people with their bombers, abusing the currently broken aspects of especially but not exclusively US-bombers.

 

Now the real Simulator Players who are actually able to fly their aircraft, land, takeoff, aim with a joystick etc. (the ones who are actually playing this mode) are becoming extremely annoyed by this, since no matter how good you are, in the end it is just luck if you get the bomber or he shoots you down from absurd distances first.

 

The following days we had a few events:

  • New Guinea Campaign: Mitchells vs Zeroes
  • Guardian Angel: B-17 vs Me 410, 109, 190s
  • Sicily: B-24 vs 109, 190, M.C.202

All these events had one thing in common. The allied side had a very high amount of bombers queueing up. These bombers deliberately abused their current state and the Axis side had no real chance of fighting them back (Apart from Me 410 A1/U4 maybe, but even that goes down to .50cals very quickly). People stopped queueing up with Axis. The players wanting to play Allied fighters could barely get into a match because the queue was so plugged with allied bombers.

 

In the end the queue broke down and you couldnt get a game anymore, no matter what you queued up with.

That is a shame, since Historical events would be so much fun.

 

Since bombers are currently being abused to shoot down fighters (for example in the GA-event B-17s where at the top of the scoreboard with high kill-counts all the time), I suggest disabling

  • Multi-engined bomber aircraft (Like B-25, B-17, Ju-88)
  • Multi-engined attackers derived from bombers or with strong defensive arnament (Like PBJ, Havoc, but not Mosquito)
  • Flying boats

at least in events until the problems listed above are resolved. Many SB players are leaving this mode because they cant stand it anymore.

 

I dont see a big problem with disabling them, since

  1. Most nations still have capable attackers who can deal with ground objectives and are both fun to play while being fair and actually have a cockpit as well.
  2. Bombers are usually flown by people who have no interest in SB and just want easy money, therefor ruining SB in the long run, the amount of real SB-bomber pilots is very low (and I am sorry for them having to be thrown into the same bag with all the abusers)
  3. There is currently a lot of griefing and team-killing/ramming between SB players and bomber abusers going on, which is causing a hateful and unfun atmosphere
  4. Once bombers are fixed and fair, I am more then happy to see them in the sky again, and finally escort a B-17 in my P-47 and not the other way around

Just to make sure everybody understands me, this should be seen as a Hotfix until bombers are completely fixed. Because it takes time for the devs implementing all the required changes on Bombers to make them fair in SB. Removing them from the events list until then however should be the work of half an hour, so the devs could easily do that for now.


Edited by Juliet_Six, 02 August 2014 - 01:03 AM.

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#2 Smin1080p

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:16 PM

Open for discussion  :salute:


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:25 PM

I still cant believe that this is acceptable by the Devs. The current bomber issue is making 90% of the events useless.

 

Bombers need to be real, B17 pulling 10G with full combat load and not losing a wing, just to be slapped by the GJ "we want realism" argument as soon as some one talks.

 

Utterly broken and needs a Hotfix and not something to be hidden for months in some sort of major patch. 

 

there is an Issue with the QA GJ, either you have useless Alpha testers, or useless Devs that do not play the game. its getting hard to support you guys.

 

Rant over, yes removing bombers is a good quick fix, "attacker" targets in missions would be much better.


Edited by SirScorpion, 01 August 2014 - 08:56 PM.

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:54 PM

my full support


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#5 Nacht_

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:56 PM

Yes please, I still cri everytime I remember that A-20G gunshipping my Ki-61 in the New Guinea event.

 

Bulge is even more BS, last time I played there were at best 2 US fighters.


Edited by Nacht_, 01 August 2014 - 10:51 PM.

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#6 gerycat

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:57 PM

completely yes you should make a poll or something


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#7 weetle

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:02 PM

Yes please. Smin, I say you could already forward this to the devs.


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#8 Sheriff_Hairy

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:12 PM

+1


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:35 PM

Yes please. Take 'em out until they're done right.


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#10 GhostLine06

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:36 PM

+1 to you Juliet_Six

 

As a result, it is very easy to farm RP and SL with a Bomber in SB by killing enemy aircraft. Therefor you often see Arcade/Realistic Battles players coming to SB events just to shoot down people with their bombers, abusing the currently broken aspects of especially but not exclusively US-bombers.

 

You know, you would think that Gaijin would especially take notice of and address this issue since it is basically a "cheat" abused by players to farm SL and RP to shorten their grind, thus reducing the chances that these players will spend real world money for premium time, RP conversion, premium planes, or talisman purchases. I mean I am surprised that a company that wants to make a profit (as all companies understandably do) would not want to immediately remove exploits such as this as quickly as possible. The people exploiting the bombers are basically shop-lifting while at the same time also driving away actual paying customers with their bad behavior.

 

Gaijin should forget the fact that SB players are in the super minority and therefore are less of a priority and act to remove such exploits for everyone's benefit (especially their's). I can't imagine that it would take more then a few hours for one or two programmers to remove all the offending planes from all of the SB event maps. (Basically removing any plane without a cockpit, as I imagine SB players can deal with 3rd person view/AI controlled gunners on attacker aircraft, I know I usually can and I am pretty bad at this game.)

 

And everyone knows that with the summer special(s) going on tons of players are going to try to find any way they can to farm as much as they can in game. The best way to do that is to jump into something like a B-24 in the SB events and activate "easy-mode".

 

Please make everyone happy Gaijin and remove all cockpit-less planes from SB.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:43 PM

Agreed!


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:44 PM

As an avid bomber pilot and newcomer to Simulator battles I can agree with this also. SB is effectively an asymmetrical multiplayer game at the moment since bomber pilots play under a different rule set than that which is enforced for non bomber planes. They are given the ability to use 3rd person view which is disabled for fighters and have auto pilot whilst doing so. They also have access to the same point and click gunner control scheme that they have in arcade and realistic which gives a huge advantage over pilots who no longer have access to mouse aim mode.

 

I have found that even relatively less powerfull bombers such as the SM79s are still far to effective in their defensive capabilities than they should be. The kind of accuracy that turret gunners have is completely unrealistic even when ai are in control. The problem is far worse when a player is controlling the turrets. This is before you even mention the likes of higher tier bombers such as the B17.

 

This is an issue which is having a huge negative impact on the simulator community for this game and for the good of this mode I completely agree with the OP's suggestion.


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#13 Lukas_SVK

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:13 PM

+1
Another example is Spain or Khalkhin Gol and SB-2. It's almost impossible to kill them with Ki-10, G-50 or He-51.
 


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:41 PM

+1

This needs to be done ASAP, many events are too frustrating to play because of this.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:54 PM

Agreed 100%

 

Third person view has NO place in a sim battle, 

remove bombers or at least make all gunning AI only, no third person view 

 

I can tolerate no cockpit view if they can't hop into mouse aim gunner position , 


Edited by __Gabriel, 01 August 2014 - 10:55 PM.

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#16 Rasty101

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 11:39 PM

I fully support this notion..

Bombers in SB should be removed until fixed..

In their current state they are top of the food chain with no natural predators, you only have to browse the event leaderboards to see your event (specialists) sitting atop with their B-17/25 k/d ratios.
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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:05 AM

The Iwo Jima event is a prime example. American B24 Liberators literally Liberate the entire japanese team in the event, the japanese dont stand a chance against the bomber arcade spam.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 12:55 AM

support +1


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#19 Juliet_Six

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:03 AM

Made the definition of what aircraft I/we dont wanna see anymore in events more clear and added Flying boats.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:23 AM

+1 - If players are going to abuse the use of bombers, then this should be stopped immediately. 


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'I have no issue with paper planes the same way I have no issue with prototypes. Now that events is in place there are no Historical barriers preventing things like the above because people can choose to cut them out with events. People forget that this is a game and requires balance across the board , rather than 100% historical accuracy and clubbing.' - Smin1080p






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